Win7 install hanging since updating Qubes Manager
Drew White
Ever since I updated the Qubes Manager I have not been able to install Windows 7.
The instructions at "https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/hvm/" do not help because "qvm-features" does not exist as a function.
What has happenned to Qubes? Why is it starting to fail after updating things? were they not tested properly?
Just asking.
Hope someone can help.
Sincerely,
D.
Ivan Mitev
On 04/18/2018 03:23 AM, Drew White wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Ever since I updated the Qubes Manager I have not been able to install Windows 7.
VMs in general; maybe some other updates when through at the same time ?
What error message you do you get ?
> The instructions at "https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/hvm/" do not help because "qvm-features" does not exist as a function.
https://github.com/taradiddles/qubes-doc/blob/eec2893b2bf58206a6c18857f43eb854bc27af22/managing-os/windows/windows-vm.md
> What has happenned to Qubes? Why is it starting to fail after updating things? were they not tested properly?
(also, windows isn't supported).
trueriver
> ...
> probably too many things on qubes' dev plate with the 4.0 release !
yes, this often happens to the N.0 release of software. Its a kind of gamma release (ie the one after alpha and beta)
> (also, windows isn't supported).
>
Really? One of the things I read before downloading Qubes was that Win 7 is supported but not Win 10. I am reasonably sure that is somewhere in the user docs.
It is possible I am recalling what I red in the Linux User & Developer six-page tutorial on Q 3.2.
IIRR it certainly was in 3.2 (there was even a set of software you could install inside the Windows VM to integrate things to some extent)
If Windows 7 is not yet supported in 4.0 then I would request that the relevant docdev adds that info to this page
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/releases/4.0/release-notes/
Likewise, if it was intended to work but turns out not to, then the release notes should say so. That would give 3.2 users the ability to make an informed choice about whether it is time to upgrade.
This is not a complaint, just a request to know where the Q devs aim to be up to, and where they think they actually ARE up to.
Ivan Mitev
On 04/18/2018 06:47 PM, trueriver wrote:
> On Wednesday, 18 April 2018 12:15:46 UTC+1, Ivan Mitev wrote:
>
>> ...
>> probably too many things on qubes' dev plate with the 4.0 release !
>
> yes, this often happens to the N.0 release of software. Its a kind of gamma release (ie the one after alpha and beta)
>
>> (also, windows isn't supported).
>
> Really? One of the things I read before downloading Qubes was that Win 7 is supported but not Win 10. I am reasonably sure that is somewhere in the user doc
under the Xen hypervisor. But without Qubes tools you won't have any
integration with Qubes like straightforward copy/move to VMs, clipboard
stuff, ...
Qubes Windows Tools (QWT) provides the integration tools for win7 VMs,
but QWT isn't supported anymore by ITL since they've open sourced it
quite some time ago and nobody has stepped in to maintain it. So QWT
hasn't been updated to reflect the architectural changes in R4.0 and as
such using QWT from R3.2 in R4.0 VMs is "unsupported".
For info see this issue:
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3585
IMHO the problems are minor, I have a 4.0 win7 VM with QWT from R3.2 and
it's quite functional.
> It is possible I am recalling what I red in the Linux User & Developer six-page tutorial on Q 3.2.
>
> IIRR it certainly was in 3.2 (there was even a set of software you could install inside the Windows VM to integrate things to some extent)
>
> If Windows 7 is not yet supported in 4.0 then I would request that the relevant docdev adds that info to this page
>
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/releases/4.0/release-notes/
>
> Likewise, if it was intended to work but turns out not to, then the release notes should say so. That would give 3.2 users the ability to make an informed choice about whether it is time to upgrade.
it's expected that their devs don't spend time on it anymore. A few
users (including myself) reported their problems with Windows/QWT during
the 4.0rc stage, which gave birth to the issue mentioned above and the
windows documentation currently submitted as a PR to qubes-doc. Some
people tried to fix QWT but the effort got delayed.
That said maybe the release page could do with a reminder that QWT is
unsupported for x years now and that there is a community effort to port
them to R4.0, maybe with a link to the issue mentioned above.
Drew White
> On 04/18/2018 03:23 AM, Drew White wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Ever since I updated the Qubes Manager I have not been able to install Windows 7.
>
> Qubes Manager shouldn't have anything to do with Windows or installing
> VMs in general; maybe some other updates when through at the same time ?
> What error message you do you get ?
No error.
>
> > The instructions at "https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/hvm/" do not help because "qvm-features" does not exist as a function.
>
> See this documentation pull request instead:
>
> https://github.com/taradiddles/qubes-doc/blob/eec2893b2bf58206a6c18857f43eb854bc27af22/managing-os/windows/windows-vm.md
That isn't helping. None of that is my issue at all. When I migrate to 4, that will of great help. thanks!
>
>
> > What has happenned to Qubes? Why is it starting to fail after updating things? were they not tested properly?
>
> probably too many things on qubes' dev plate with the 4.0 release !
> (also, windows isn't supported).
Yeah, they releasing 4 without fixing 1 or 2 or 3 first.