New Qubes installer image?

[lok...@gmail.com]

Since Qubes cannot be easily installed if things like networking or graphics is not available during installation, is there any plan to create a new installer image that has newer drivers?

On my old Dell Latitude E7470, I was unable to get WLAN working until I had performed a dom0 update. I was lucky to have access to a wired connection at the time, but if I had not, this would have been a difficult problem.

The newest laptop I have is a Dell Latitude 7480, where pretty much nothing works using the drivers that are included in the installer (To be fair, this machine is new enough that I'm doubtful that even the latest dom0 update would have support for it. But that does not change the question).

Are there any plans to create an updated installer image?

Regards,
Elias

[Andrew David Wong]

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We almost never publish new ISOs for Qubes OS versions that have
already been released. It's likely that the next time a new ISO will
be published with updated drivers will be when Qubes 4.0 is released.

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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org
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[lok...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, 21 March 2017 10:01:57 UTC+8, Andrew David Wong wrote:

> We almost never publish new ISOs for Qubes OS versions that have
> already been released. It's likely that the next time a new ISO will
> be published with updated drivers will be when Qubes 4.0 is released.

Thank you for the honest reply, even if it's one that causes me some amount of trouble.

The fact Qubes 3.2 can't be installed on modern hardware is problematic, so here's hoping that Qubes 4 will be out in a reasonable amount of time.

Now for a question:

In a recent post you asked people to try the beta repositories. In that email there was a link to instructions how to build the ISO image. If I were to do that, would that image contain the latest kernel and drivers? If so, that could possibly be a solution to the problem of installing 3.2 on a modern laptop.

Regards,
Elias

[Andrew David Wong]

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I suspect so, but I have very little experience with building Qubes
from source, so I'm hoping that someone more knowledgeable will be
able to answer your question.

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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org
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[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 07:01:43PM -0700, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> On 2017-03-20 02:58, lok...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Since Qubes cannot be easily installed if things like networking or
> > graphics is not available during installation, is there any plan to
> > create a new installer image that has newer drivers?
> >
> > On my old Dell Latitude E7470, I was unable to get WLAN working
> > until I had performed a dom0 update. I was lucky to have access to
> > a wired connection at the time, but if I had not, this would have
> > been a difficult problem.
> >
> > The newest laptop I have is a Dell Latitude 7480, where pretty much
> > nothing works using the drivers that are included in the installer
> > (To be fair, this machine is new enough that I'm doubtful that even
> > the latest dom0 update would have support for it. But that does not
> > change the question).
> >
> > Are there any plans to create an updated installer image?
> >
> > Regards, Elias
> >
>
> We almost never publish new ISOs for Qubes OS versions that have
> already been released. It's likely that the next time a new ISO will
> be published with updated drivers will be when Qubes 4.0 is released.

Actually, for Qubes Os 3.2, which will be supported for a while, we do plan
release new ISO image, lets name it Qubes OS 3.2.1. It will have updated
templates, especially newer default Fedora template, and also updated
kernel. We haven't decided for specific versions yet, but I'd like to
have Fedora 25 and kernel 4.9.x there. Both need some testing first and
need to hit stable repository before building new ISO image (kernel
4.9.x isn't even in testing repository yet).

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Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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[Jean-Philippe Ouellet]

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
<marm...@invisiblethingslab.com> wrote:
>> We almost never publish new ISOs for Qubes OS versions that have
>> already been released. It's likely that the next time a new ISO will
>> be published with updated drivers will be when Qubes 4.0 is released.
>
> Actually, for Qubes Os 3.2, which will be supported for a while, we do plan
> release new ISO image, lets name it Qubes OS 3.2.1. It will have updated
> templates, especially newer default Fedora template, and also updated
> kernel. We haven't decided for specific versions yet, but I'd like to
> have Fedora 25 and kernel 4.9.x there. Both need some testing first and
> need to hit stable repository before building new ISO image (kernel
> 4.9.x isn't even in testing repository yet).

Also quite notably with a debian template past the apt InRelease vuln.
I wonder how many people make new installs and update debian via
package updates in the existing template without knowing they should
first replace it via qubes-dom0-update.

IMHO revisiting the ISO publication frequency may not be a bad idea,
especially with all the recent build automation improvements making
this somehow less work. (Or at least it appears to be less work from
my outside perspective... I do not pretend to know everything
involved.)

[Mike Keehan]

On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 03:19:28 +0100
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki <marm...@invisiblethingslab.com> wrote:

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> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 07:01:43PM -0700, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> > On 2017-03-20 02:58, lok...@gmail.com wrote:

> [...]

> >
> > We almost never publish new ISOs for Qubes OS versions that have
> > already been released. It's likely that the next time a new ISO will
> > be published with updated drivers will be when Qubes 4.0 is
> > released.
>
> Actually, for Qubes Os 3.2, which will be supported for a while, we
> do plan release new ISO image, lets name it Qubes OS 3.2.1. It will
> have updated templates, especially newer default Fedora template, and
> also updated kernel. We haven't decided for specific versions yet,
> but I'd like to have Fedora 25 and kernel 4.9.x there. Both need some
> testing first and need to hit stable repository before building new
> ISO image (kernel 4.9.x isn't even in testing repository yet).
>

I had problems installing Qubes on my new laptop (Dell xps15).
Initially, I was booting the USB stick using legacy boot mode,
but could not get the graphics screen to work in the installer.

By sheer chance, it booted in UEFI mode at one point, and with
this mode the graphics display worked OK. And Qubes installed
without further problem.

I haven't gone back to find out what differences there are
in the boot sequences for legacy mode and UEFI mode, but it
might be worth checking if they are different in some way.

Regards,

Mike.

[roberto...@gmail.com]

Regarding "Qubes OS 3.2.1" new ISO... would the AMD Ryzen CPU be supported?

[Foppe de Haan]

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 1:41:39 AM UTC+1, roberto...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 7:19:34 PM UTC-7, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
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> > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 07:01:43PM -0700, Andrew David Wong wrote:

Based on my own experience (AMD 845), IOMMU probably won't work, because it's not recognized properly in Xen's 4.6 branch. I'm guessing the same will apply to RyZen.