How to check that an 'in-place upgrade' from Qubes R4.0 to R4.1 was successful?

Viktor Ransmayr

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May 31, 2022, 2:53:29 AM5/31/22

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Hello Qubes Community,

I have reported problems installing the new Fedora 35 templates late last week [1] - and - also reported in the thread, that the 'in-place upgrade' of my system from 4.0 to 4.1 was only two weeks ago.

One additional thing that I noticed today, is that a dom0 update does not install any new packages - but - for the second(?) time only deletes 14 (?) packages.

Yesterday I was not able to collect the precise info from the Update VM, but today I succeeded. - Here's the output:

[vr@dom0 ~]$
[vr@dom0 ~]$ sudo qubes-dom0-update --clean --console --show-output
Using sys-firewall as UpdateVM to download updates for Dom0; this may take some time...
warning: Converting database from bdb_ro to sqlite backend
25 files removed
Fedora 32 - x86_64 5.2 MB/s | 70 MB 00:13
Fedora 32 - x86_64 - Updates 4.1 MB/s | 30 MB 00:07
Qubes Dom0 Repository (updates) 2.0 MB/s | 3.8 MB 00:01
Last metadata expiration check: 0:00:02 ago on Tue May 31 07:48:22 2022.
Dependencies resolved.
================================================================================
Package Arch Version Repository Size
================================================================================
Removing dependent packages:
python2-backports_abc noarch 0.5-1.fc25 @System 30 k
python2-futures noarch 3.1.1-1.fc25 @System 91 k
python2-lxml x86_64 4.1.1-1.fc25 @System 4.5 M
python2-msgpack x86_64 0.4.8-1.fc25 @System 276 k
python2-nose noarch 1.3.7-11.fc25 @System 1.1 M
python2-pycurl x86_64 7.43.0-6.fc25 @System 891 k
python2-pygpgme x86_64 0.3-18.fc25 @System 306 k
python2-pysocks noarch 1.6.7-1.fc25 @System 79 k
python2-requests noarch 2.10.0-4.fc25 @System 369 k
python2-singledispatch noarch 3.4.0.3-5.fc25 @System 46 k
python2-systemd x86_64 234-5.1.fc25 @System 263 k
python2-tornado x86_64 4.4.2-1.fc25 @System 3.9 M
python2-urllib3 noarch 1.15.1-3.fc25 @System 443 k
python2-zmq x86_64 15.3.0-2.fc25 @System 1.5 M

Transaction Summary
================================================================================
Remove 14 Packages

Freed space: 14 M
DNF will only download packages for the transaction.
Complete!
No packages downloaded
No updates available
[vr@dom0 ~]$

Now finally my question again: Is there a way to test that the upgrade from Qubes R4.0 to R4.1 was complete - and - successful?

With kind regards,

Viktor

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[1] https://groups.google.com/g/qubes-users/c/gpku3AoioLw

Viktor Ransmayr

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Jun 1, 2022, 2:54:24 AM6/1/22

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Hello Qubes Community,

I've performed the same task today - and - the same 14 packages were removed again ...

So it's clear now that something went wrong with my 'in-place upgrade' !

Anything that I could try, beside a completely fresh installation of Qubes OS R4.1 ?

With kind regards,

Viktor

tetra...@danwin1210.de

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Jun 1, 2022, 6:03:42 PM6/1/22

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On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:54:24PM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote:
>I've performed the same task today - and - the same 14 packages were
>removed again ...
>
>So it's clear now that something went wrong with my 'in-place upgrade' !
>
>Anything that I could try, beside a completely fresh installation of Qubes
>OS R4.1 ?

I've had similar issues:
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/7503

Maybe try some of the ideas suggested there?

Demi Marie Obenour

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Jun 1, 2022, 7:18:35 PM6/1/22

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The Python 2 packages should be safe to remove, unless I have missed
something.

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Sincerely,
Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers)
Invisible Things Lab

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Viktor Ransmayr

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Jun 2, 2022, 6:16:32 AM6/2/22

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Hello user 'tetrahedras',

tetra...@danwin1210.de schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022 um 00:03:42 UTC+2:

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:54:24PM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote:
>I've performed the same task today - and - the same 14 packages were
>removed again ...
>
>So it's clear now that something went wrong with my 'in-place upgrade' !
>
>Anything that I could try, beside a completely fresh installation of Qubes
>OS R4.1 ?

I've had similar issues:
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/7503

Thanks for sharing this info! - It does look like my issue is the same / very similar ...

Maybe try some of the ideas suggested there?

Which one? - After reading all comments, I do agree with your last statement / summary. - See

* https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/7503#issuecomment-1125152541

As you can see from my Logs:

* Update VM is 'sys-firewall' -> which is using the 'fedora-34' template

With kind regards,

Viktor

Viktor Ransmayr

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Jun 2, 2022, 6:24:51 AM6/2/22

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Hello Demi,

Demi Marie Obenour schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022 um 01:18:35 UTC+2:

On Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 10:03:14PM +0000, Qubes OS Users Mailing List wrote:
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:54:24PM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote:
> > I've performed the same task today - and - the same 14 packages were
> > removed again ...
> >
> > So it's clear now that something went wrong with my 'in-place upgrade' !
> >
> > Anything that I could try, beside a completely fresh installation of Qubes
> > OS R4.1 ?
>
> I've had similar issues:
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/7503
>
> Maybe try some of the ideas suggested there?

The Python 2 packages should be safe to remove, unless I have missed
something.

It's unclear to me, why I should ...

If I would manually delete those packages, would they not get re-installed the next day?

Or asked differently:

If they are not needed in R4.1 / Fedora 32 for dom0, why have they been included in the first place?

With kind regards,

Viktor

Demi Marie Obenour

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Jun 2, 2022, 9:08:17 AM6/2/22

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On Thu, Jun 02, 2022 at 03:24:50AM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote:
> Hello Demi,
>
> Demi Marie Obenour schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022 um 01:18:35 UTC+2:
>
> > On Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 10:03:14PM +0000, Qubes OS Users Mailing List
> > wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:54:24PM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote:
> > > > I've performed the same task today - and - the same 14 packages were
> > > > removed again ...
> > > >
> > > > So it's clear now that something went wrong with my 'in-place upgrade'
> > !
> > > >
> > > > Anything that I could try, beside a completely fresh installation of
> > Qubes
> > > > OS R4.1 ?
> > >
> > > I've had similar issues:
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/7503
> > >
> > > Maybe try some of the ideas suggested there?
> >
> > The Python 2 packages should be safe to remove, unless I have missed
> > something.
> >
>
> It's unclear to me, why I should ...
>
> If I would manually delete those packages, would they not get re-installed
> the next day?

In dom0, this is leftover cruft from R4.0. It serves no purpose in
R4.1. My R4.1 dom0 does not even have a Python 2 interpreter.

> Or asked differently:
>
> If they are not needed in R4.1 / Fedora 32 for dom0, why have they been
> included in the first place?

Not sure.

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Sincerely,
Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers)
Invisible Things Lab

Viktor Ransmayr

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Jun 2, 2022, 4:09:41 PM6/2/22

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Hello Demi,

Demi Marie Obenour schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022 um 15:08:17 UTC+2:

On Thu, Jun 02, 2022 at 03:24:50AM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote:
> Hello Demi,
>
> Demi Marie Obenour schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022 um 01:18:35 UTC+2:
>
> > On Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 10:03:14PM +0000, Qubes OS Users Mailing List
> > wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:54:24PM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote:
> > > > I've performed the same task today - and - the same 14 packages were
> > > > removed again ...
> > > >
> > > > So it's clear now that something went wrong with my 'in-place upgrade'
> > !
> > > >
> > > > Anything that I could try, beside a completely fresh installation of
> > Qubes
> > > > OS R4.1 ?
> > >
> > > I've had similar issues:
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/7503
> > >
> > > Maybe try some of the ideas suggested there?
> >
> > The Python 2 packages should be safe to remove, unless I have missed
> > something.
> >
>
> It's unclear to me, why I should ...
>
> If I would manually delete those packages, would they not get re-installed
> the next day?

In dom0, this is leftover cruft from R4.0. It serves no purpose in
R4.1. My R4.1 dom0 does not even have a Python 2 interpreter.

OK, I'll try - and - will report back tomorrow, when another 'dom0' update notification will be sent.

With kind regards,

Viktor

Viktor Ransmayr

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Jun 3, 2022, 3:55:26 AM6/3/22

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Hello Demi & Qubes Community,

Thanks, it looks like the problem of packages, which were reported for removal, is resolved.

Now the only problem that remains, is that ...

* I can not install the Fedora 35 templates - and - that ...

* I still have doubts about the status of my system, after the 'in-place upgrade' operation ;-)