Replacing SSD with larger SSD on Qubes System

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Hello All,

I'm a long-time user of Qubes. I'm upgrading my laptop from a 256GB SSD
to a 1TB SSD. I wanted to check whether it is preferable to clone the
existing drive to the new one and expand the volumes, or whether I
should do a fresh Qubes install on the new drive and restore from
backup. I've not had great luck with Qubes' restore process in the past,
but it's been a long time since I've needed to use it. Also, if the
fresh install/restore method is preferable, should I install Qubes with
the "Do not configure anything" option checked so that none of the
default VMs are created?

Thanks.

[TheGardner]

Did this in the past with a

- clon of the entire (smaller) in Tails - Drives on a extern backup dive

- replace the old drive with the new one

- and extend the written partition later up to 1TB

A fresh install is also a way. Just backup all your VMs and restore them later on the new system. I -for myself- would do such a new install / rename all new and fresh vms to somewhat "original-xxxxx" and then restore the backup.

So you have your old system beside fresh installed original cubes from a actual Qbs installation.

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Restoring from backup would be my preference, but it doesn't seem to
work. It fails immediately. After restoring multiple VMs failed, I
attempted to restore *only* a template VM. These are the resulting
errors from journalctl (any help would be greatly appreciated):

Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: Creating directory:
/var/lib/qubes/vm-templates/fedora-30
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: unhandled exception while calling
src=b'dom0' meth=b'admin.vm.volume.Info' dest=b'fedora-30' arg=b'kernel'
len(untrusted_payload)=0
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/__init__.py", line 227, in
__get__
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return getattr(instance,
self._attr_name)
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: AttributeError: 'TemplateVM' object
has no attribute '_qubesprop_kernel'
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: During handling of the above
exception, another exception occurred:
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/vm/qubesvm.py", line 128, in
_func
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return getattr(self.template,
prop)
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: AttributeError: 'TemplateVM' object
has no attribute 'template'
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: During handling of the above
exception, another exception occurred:
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/__init__.py", line 227, in
__get__
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return getattr(instance,
self._attr_name)
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: AttributeError: 'Qubes' object has no
attribute '_qubesprop_default_kernel'
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: During handling of the above
exception, another exception occurred:
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/api/__init__.py", line 275, in
respond
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]:
untrusted_payload=untrusted_payload)
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib64/python3.5/asyncio/futures.py", line 381, in __iter__
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: yield self # This tells Task to
wait for completion.
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib64/python3.5/asyncio/tasks.py", line 310, in _wakeup
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: future.result()
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib64/python3.5/asyncio/futures.py", line 294, in result
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: raise self._exception
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib64/python3.5/asyncio/tasks.py", line 240, in _step
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: result = coro.send(None)
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib64/python3.5/asyncio/coroutines.py", line 210, in coro
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: res = func(*args, **kw)
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/api/admin.py", line 349, in
vm_volume_info
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: for key in volume_properties)
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/api/admin.py", line 349, in
<genexpr>
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: for key in volume_properties)
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/storage/kernels.py", line 45, in
vid
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return self._kernel_version()
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/storage/kernels.py", line 174,
in <lambda>
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: volume =
LinuxModules(self.dir_path, lambda: vm.kernel, **volume_config)
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/__init__.py", line 230, in
__get__
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return self.get_default(instance)
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/__init__.py", line 237, in
get_default
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return
self._default_function(instance)
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/vm/qubesvm.py", line 131, in
_func
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return default(self)
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/vm/qubesvm.py", line 525, in
<lambda>
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: lambda self:
self.app.default_kernel),
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/__init__.py", line 230, in
__get__
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return self.get_default(instance)
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/__init__.py", line 235, in
get_default
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: 'property {!r} have no
default'.format(self.__name__))
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: AttributeError: property
'default_kernel' have no default
Jun 07 16:36:44 dom0 qubesd[2664]: Creating icon symlink:
/var/lib/qubes/vm-templates/fedora-30/icon.png ->
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/128x128/devices/appvm-black.png
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: unhandled exception while calling
src=b'dom0' meth=b'admin.vm.volume.Info' dest=b'fedora-30' arg=b'kernel'
len(untrusted_payload)=0
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/__init__.py", line 227, in
__get__
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return getattr(instance,
self._attr_name)
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: AttributeError: 'TemplateVM' object
has no attribute '_qubesprop_kernel'
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: During handling of the above
exception, another exception occurred:
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/vm/qubesvm.py", line 128, in
_func
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return getattr(self.template,
prop)
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/__init__.py", line 227, in
__get__
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return getattr(instance,
self._attr_name)
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: AttributeError: 'TemplateVM' object
has no attribute '_qubesprop_kernel'
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: During handling of the above
exception, another exception occurred:
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/vm/qubesvm.py", line 128, in
_func
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return getattr(self.template,
prop)
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: AttributeError: 'TemplateVM' object
has no attribute 'template'
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: During handling of the above
exception, another exception occurred:
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/__init__.py", line 227, in
__get__
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return getattr(instance,
self._attr_name)
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: AttributeError: 'Qubes' object has no
attribute '_qubesprop_default_kernel'
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: During handling of the above
exception, another exception occurred:
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/api/__init__.py", line 275, in
respond
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]:
untrusted_payload=untrusted_payload)
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib64/python3.5/asyncio/futures.py", line 381, in __iter__
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: yield self # This tells Task to
wait for completion.
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib64/python3.5/asyncio/tasks.py", line 310, in _wakeup
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: future.result()
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib64/python3.5/asyncio/futures.py", line 294, in result
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: raise self._exception
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib64/python3.5/asyncio/tasks.py", line 240, in _step
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: result = coro.send(None)
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib64/python3.5/asyncio/coroutines.py", line 210, in coro
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: res = func(*args, **kw)
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/api/admin.py", line 349, in
vm_volume_info
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: for key in volume_properties)
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/api/admin.py", line 349, in
<genexpr>
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: for key in volume_properties)
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/storage/kernels.py", line 45, in
vid
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return self._kernel_version()
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/storage/kernels.py", line 174,
in <lambda>
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: volume =
LinuxModules(self.dir_path, lambda: vm.kernel, **volume_config)
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/__init__.py", line 230, in
__get__
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return self.get_default(instance)
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/__init__.py", line 237, in
get_default
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return
self._default_function(instance)
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/vm/qubesvm.py", line 131, in
_func
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return default(self)
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/vm/qubesvm.py", line 525, in
<lambda>
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: lambda self:
self.app.default_kernel),
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/__init__.py", line 230, in
__get__
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: return self.get_default(instance)
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/__init__.py", line 235, in
get_default
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: 'property {!r} have no
default'.format(self.__name__))
Jun 07 16:36:45 dom0 qubesd[2664]: AttributeError: property
'default_kernel' have no default

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I figured out that I could restore as long as I allowed Qubes to set up
sys-net, sys-firewall, etc. I wish there was an option during install
for "restore Qubes from backup"... so you didn't need to create VMs
you'd just need to delete later.

[Ulrich Windl]

On 6/7/20 3:06 PM, TheGardner wrote:
> Did this in the past with a
> - clon of the entire (smaller) in Tails - Drives on a extern backup dive
> - replace the old drive with the new one
> - and extend the written partition later up to 1TB

Wouldn't a Qubes OS command like "clone drive" (that re-creates the
partitions, VGS, LVs, etc. on a new drive, optionally resizing the LVs)
be useful?
My idea would have been to create a corresponding VG (initially under a
different name), the LVs, and then "dd" the old LV contents into the
corresponding new LVs. However that would work best when started from a
different system, because when you "swap" old with new you would have to

vgrename qubes_dom0 qubes_dom0_old
vgrename qubes_dom0_new qubes_dom0 # assuming your new VG is named
qubes_dom0_new

>
> A fresh install is also a way. Just backup all your VMs and restore them
> later on the new system. I -for myself- would do such a new install /
> rename all new and fresh vms to somewhat "original-xxxxx" and then
> restore the backup.
> So you have your old system beside fresh installed original cubes from a
> actual Qbs installation.
>
> Am Samstag, 6. Juni 2020 21:27:32 UTC+2 schrieb Verifiable List:
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