Why is dom0 so long behind in versions?

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Rune Philosof

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Jan 18, 2022, 7:08:36 AM1/18/22
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Why not use fedora 35 for dom0?
Wouldn't it make it easier to maintain, while also getting better hardware support?

awokd

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Jan 18, 2022, 7:24:17 AM1/18/22
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> Why not use fedora 35 for dom0?
> Wouldn't it make it easier to maintain, while also getting better hardware
> support?
>
https://www.qubes-os.org/faq/#why-is-dom0-so-old

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Rune Philosof

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Jan 18, 2022, 8:28:24 AM1/18/22
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On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:24 PM 'awokd' via qubes-users <qubes...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
'Rune Philosof' via qubes-users:
> Why not use fedora 35 for dom0?
> Wouldn't it make it easier to maintain, while also getting better hardware
> support?
>
https://www.qubes-os.org/faq/#why-is-dom0-so-old

Thanks. But that does not answer any of the questions.
It only says why it is not necessary to run a newer one.

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Jan 18, 2022, 6:37:57 PM1/18/22
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On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 02:09:30PM +0100, 'Rune Philosof' via qubes-users wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:24 PM 'awokd' via qubes-users <
> qubes...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> > 'Rune Philosof' via qubes-users:
> > > Why not use fedora 35 for dom0?
> > > Wouldn't it make it easier to maintain, while also getting better
> > hardware
> > > support?
> > >
> > https://www.qubes-os.org/faq/#why-is-dom0-so-old
> >
>
> Thanks. But that does not answer any of the questions.
> It only says why it is not necessary to run a newer one.
>

Every Qubes release goes through a significant testing round - Qubes 4.1
is in the midst of that with (now) rc4, but has already been through an
alpha and beta round.
At that time Fedora 32 was still a recent release.
Every release has to draw a line somewhere - it would not be feasible to
keep updating dom0 as the testing rounds progress.

Rune Philosof

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Jan 19, 2022, 4:53:36 PM1/19/22
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On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 5:49 PM Floyd <fl...@bauernhof.us> wrote:
On 1/18/22 7:09 AM, 'Rune Philosof' via qubes-users wrote:
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:24 PM 'awokd' via qubes-users <qubes...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
'Rune Philosof' via qubes-users:
> Why not use fedora 35 for dom0?
> Wouldn't it make it easier to maintain, while also getting better hardware
> support?
>
https://www.qubes-os.org/faq/#why-is-dom0-so-old

Security is the core of Qubes, not convenience or bells and whistles. There are, generally speaking, fewer surprises with mature versions.

There was a saying in IT of which I often reminded my employees and colleagues - I don't mind being on the bleeding edge, as long as it's not the client's blood. Update that to today's reality - I don't mind being on the bleeding edge, as long as it's not my blood.


Those are good arguments.

However, I am testing out 4.1 and looking a bit into the cause of the bugs I see (loading the coredumps in gdb).

I find my motivation for using time on getting to the bottom of the errors dropping because there is a chance that the errors are already fixed in newer versions.

How hard it would be for me to test it out on newer versions, I wonder.

It would be nice if Qubes was something you could add to an existing installation.

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