do I really need these packages in dom0 :?

[Oleg Artemiev]

After installing qubes 3.2 looked into dom0 updates.

Found some that I possibly ok to remove:

[olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires tigervnc-server-minimal
anaconda-gui-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
[olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires anaconda-gui
initial-setup-gui-0.3.37-1.fc23.x86_64
[olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires initial-setup-gui
no package requires initial-setup-gui
[olli@dom0 ~]$

Also, do I really need this in Dom0:

[root@dom0 olli]# rpm -q --whatrequires openssh
openssh-askpass-7.2p2-3.fc23.x86_64
[root@dom0 olli]# rpm -q --whatrequires openssh-askpass
no package requires openssh-askpass
[root@dom0 olli]#

?

Also I've Network Manager in Dom0 - why - it is designed never have
networking. It is left by anaconda - setup program. Why not to delete
it?

lli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -qa |grep -i net
NetworkManager-wifi-1.0.12-2.fc23.x86_64
NetworkManager-libnm-1.0.12-2.fc23.x86_64
NetworkManager-1.0.12-2.fc23.x86_64
NetworkManager-glib-1.0.12-2.fc23.x86_64
glib-networking-2.46.1-1.fc23.x86_64
libnetfilter_conntrack-1.0.4-5.fc23.x86_64
nettle-3.2-1.fc23.x86_64
netcf-libs-0.2.8-3.fc23.x86_64
NetworkManager-team-1.0.12-2.fc23.x86_64
libnfnetlink-1.0.1-7.fc23.x86_64
[olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires NetworkManager-wifi
anaconda-gui-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
[olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires NetworkManager-libnm
no package requires NetworkManager-libnm
[olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires NetworkManager-glib
anaconda-core-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
nm-connection-editor-1.0.10-1.fc23.x86_64
[olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires nm-connection-editor
anaconda-gui-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
[olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires anaconda-core
anaconda-tui-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
anaconda-gui-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
[olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires anaconda-tui
anaconda-core-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
initial-setup-0.3.37-1.fc23.x86_64
[olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires initial-setup
initial-setup-gui-0.3.37-1.fc23.x86_64
initial-setup-gui-0.3.37-1.fc23.x86_64
initial-setup-launcher-1.0-1.fc23.x86_64
[olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires initial-setup-gui
no package requires initial-setup-gui
[olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires initial-setup-launcher
no package requires initial-setup-launcher
[olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires NetworkManager-team
anaconda-core-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
[olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires nettle
no package requires nettle
[olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires libnfnetlink
no package requires libnfnetlink
[olli@dom0 ~]$

from above only netcf-libs is required indirectly by xen related
package. So is it safe to drop all other from above w/ rpm -e ?


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[pixel fairy]

i also noticed glusterfs in dom0.

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 06:23:22AM +0300, Oleg Artemiev wrote:
> After installing qubes 3.2 looked into dom0 updates.
>
> Found some that I possibly ok to remove:
>
> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires tigervnc-server-minimal
> anaconda-gui-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires anaconda-gui
> initial-setup-gui-0.3.37-1.fc23.x86_64
> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires initial-setup-gui
> no package requires initial-setup-gui
> [olli@dom0 ~]$

It is used during fist system startup. Later can be removed.

> Also, do I really need this in Dom0:
>
> [root@dom0 olli]# rpm -q --whatrequires openssh
> openssh-askpass-7.2p2-3.fc23.x86_64
> [root@dom0 olli]# rpm -q --whatrequires openssh-askpass
> no package requires openssh-askpass
> [root@dom0 olli]#
>
> ?
>
> Also I've Network Manager in Dom0 - why - it is designed never have
> networking. It is left by anaconda - setup program. Why not to delete
> it?

See above.

Yes. You can start with 'dnf remove initial-setup-gui' - it will propose
additional packages not needed anymore. But carefully review that list
before confirming.

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Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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[Oleg Artemiev]

Shouldn't those be removed by default as a postinstall step?

[Oleg Artemiev]

May I add this (and above sentence as subject) as a feature request in github?

We should not have non-required packages in Dom0 by default, right?

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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Yes, good idea.

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Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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[haaber]

> Marek wrote:
> Yes. You can start with 'dnf remove initial-setup-gui' - it will propose
> additional packages not needed anymore. But carefully review that
> list before confirming.

While this is true, it is of no help for a lot of people, myself
included. The following packets are proposed for deletion.

ModemManager-glib
NetworkManager-wifi
anaconda-gui
anaconda-widgets
enchant
fros
geoclue2
glade-libs
harfbuzz-icu
hunspell
hunspell-en-US
initial-setup-gui
libgnomekbd
libicu
libnm-gtk
libreport-gtk
libtimezonemap
mobile-broadband-provider-info
nm-connection-editor
python3-meh-gui
webkitgtk3
wpa_supplicant
yelp
yelp-libs
yelp-xsl

While I can easily see that hunspell is not needed in dom0, for packages
named "lib*" this much more delicate ... so, according to you Marek, is
there something important I should not delete?

Thanks, Bernhard

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2017-03-03 04:15, Oleg Artemiev wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Oleg Artemiev
> <grey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
>> <marm...@invisiblethingslab.com> wrote:

>>> [...]

>>>>
>>>> from above only netcf-libs is required indirectly by xen
>>>> related package. So is it safe to drop all other from above
>>>> w/ rpm -e ?
>>>
>>> Yes. You can start with 'dnf remove initial-setup-gui' - it
>>> will propose additional packages not needed anymore. But
>>> carefully review that list before confirming.
>
>> Shouldn't those be removed by default as a postinstall step?
>
> May I add this (and above sentence as subject) as a feature
> request in github?
>

I waited a couple of days for this but didn't see anything submitted,
so I've created an issue for it:

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2670

Didn't mean to steal your thunder, but I was afraid it would end up
falling through the cracks (as so many important issues do).

> We should not have non-required packages in Dom0 by default,
> right?
>

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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org
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[Oleg Artemiev]

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Andrew David Wong <a...@qubes-os.org> wrote:
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>>>>>

>>>>> from above only netcf-libs is required indirectly by xen
>>>>> related package. So is it safe to drop all other from above
>>>>> w/ rpm -e ?
>>>>
>>>> Yes. You can start with 'dnf remove initial-setup-gui' - it
>>>> will propose additional packages not needed anymore. But
>>>> carefully review that list before confirming.
>>
>>> Shouldn't those be removed by default as a postinstall step?
>> May I add this (and above sentence as subject) as a feature
>> request in github?
> I waited a couple of days for this but didn't see anything submitted,
> so I've created an issue for it:
>
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2670
>
> Didn't mean to steal your thunder, but I was afraid it would end up
> falling through the cracks (as so many important issues do).

Thank you. :) I was quite busy a few days including weekends.
Also it was unclear for me into which repo I should report this (yes,
this is probably
documented in report bugs). %)

btw: i18n regression should be reported there too?

[Andrew David Wong]

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:)

> btw: i18n regression should be reported there too?
>

I'm not sure which regression you're referring to. Please post a
detailed comment on that issue if you think there's a relevant regression.

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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org
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[Eva Star]

+ keybinder3 in my list.
Can we remove all of this?


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