Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !

[odind...@gmail.com]

Hey guys ,

I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn connection .
But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM and Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am attaching picture of it so you can see it youself : https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX .
If annyone can point me to what's wrong will be great.

Much appreciated

[Rusty Bird]

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odind...@gmail.com:

> I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn connection .
> But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM and
> Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am attaching
> picture of it so you can see it youself :
> https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX .

Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM
in older Qubes versions.

Rusty
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[odind...@gmail.com]

Many thanks )

[Chris Laprise]

On 08/25/2018 02:25 PM, Rusty Bird wrote:
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> odind...@gmail.com:
>> I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn connection .
>> But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM and
>> Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am attaching
>> picture of it so you can see it youself :
>> https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX .
>
> Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM
> in older Qubes versions.
>
> Rusty

I've come to the conclusion that attempting to change the terminology
for VM types was a mistake. People are getting confused and referring to
"network-providing appVM" in the generic is awkward at best --
especially if you are merely describing or referring to VMs instead of
giving instructions on creating them.

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Chris Laprise, tas...@posteo.net
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https://twitter.com/ttaskett
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[awokd]

On Sat, August 25, 2018 7:01 pm, Chris Laprise wrote:
> On 08/25/2018 02:25 PM, Rusty Bird wrote:
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>> odind...@gmail.com:
>>
>>> I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn
>>> connection . But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM
>>> and Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am
>>> attaching picture of it so you can see it youself :
>>> https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX .
>>>
>>
>> Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM
>> in older Qubes versions.
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>
> I've come to the conclusion that attempting to change the terminology
> for VM types was a mistake. People are getting confused and referring to
> "network-providing appVM" in the generic is awkward at best --
> especially if you are merely describing or referring to VMs instead of
> giving instructions on creating them.

Think some additional text in the dialog box like "provides network
('ProxyVM')" would do it? Agree that "network-providing appVM" is a bit of
a mouthful.

[Andrew David Wong]

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If I understand correctly, it's not merely a terminological change.
Rather, there is simply no longer such a thing as a "ProxyVM" in Qubes
4.0, where a "ProxyVM" is understood to be a VM that has the inherent
property of proxying network access. Instead, "provides network" is a
switchable property can apply (or not) to *any* VM. You can flip the
switch on to make a VM play the role of a ProxyVM (and/or a NetVM?),
then switch it off again later, and it'll still be the same VM. At any
rate, that's what I gather from this comment from Marek:

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1763#issuecomment-188786341

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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org

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[Chris Laprise]

Except VMs internally still use the proxyVM term in /var/run/qubes for
example. Its how my VPN code makes decisions about where+what to run.

I'd vote for adding (ProxyVM) in parentheses to the "provides network"
label (not tooltip) in the create dialog.

[Andrew David Wong]

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In that case, I certainly agree. Calling it "provides network" is
clearly an attempt to accommodate new users who don't know what a
ProxyVM is, but there's no reason to confuse experienced users by
removing *all* mention of ProxyVM, when we can accommodate both groups
by simply calling it "provides network (ProxyVM)".

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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org

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