How do I upgrade to Fedora 26?

[Salmiakki]

Since it just came out I would like to know if it is safe to upgrade or if there are specific things that should be taken into account.

Can the same instruction as for the upgrade from 23 to 24 be used?

[Foppe de Haan]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 5:06:44 PM UTC+2, Salmiakki wrote:
> Since it just came out I would like to know if it is safe to upgrade or if there are specific things that should be taken into account.
>
> Can the same instruction as for the upgrade from 23 to 24 be used?

You can if/when a fc26 folder appears here: https://ftp.qubes-os.org/repo/yum/r3.2/current-testing/vm/
(But don't hold your breath. :) )

[Salmiakki]

So what is required to get a new template? If I understand correctly third parties create templates for other distros as well, right?

[Alex]

On 07/11/2017 05:15 PM, Salmiakki wrote:
> So what is required to get a new template? If I understand correctly
> third parties create templates for other distros as well, right?
>

Yes, and you can also upgrade an existing template, and that's what I
usually do (because I tend to customize my templates, preferring the
wonders of multiple usable VM to anonimity).

The problem is that there are no yum sources for qubes-related things
for fedora 26, as Foppe said, so the upgrade will likely fail and, in
case you manage to complete the upgrade, you will be left with a
non-updatable set of qubes software for a while.

--
Alex

[Noor Christensen]

There are fedora-25 templates in the templates-itl repo for 4.0, but not
yet for 3.2 what I can see...

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[Salmiakki]

But those should work in 3.2 just fine, right?

[Salmiakki]

> The problem is that there are no yum sources for qubes-related things
> for fedora 26, as Foppe said, so the upgrade will likely fail and, in
> case you manage to complete the upgrade, you will be left with a
> non-updatable set of qubes software for a while.

So where do people who make their own templates get these things?

[Alex]

I started cloning the original fedora 24 template, which is already
configured for the correct yum repositories, and upgraded that to 25.
Since the yum config is dynamically expanded to the actual distro
release number, it just works. I'm on Qubes R3.2, and I don't understand
both why the fedora 25 template is missing from the 3.2 repository and
why a user should wait for such a template to be available in the
repository, while he/she could just clone the 24 and update that, if
having a cutting-edge-stable system is important in their scenario
(like, in mine it is so I did just that).

If you start with a template from scratch you can either use the yum
repositories or the debian ones, depending on what your distribution
supports, or you can include a specific version of the tools you
compile/make yourself - the vast majority of them is in Python, so there
should be little trouble using them in another distro. If you do include
a specific version updates will likely have to be manually detected and
installed, unless you also set up a custom repository and package
manager system and maintain that.

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Alex

[Alex]

On 07/14/2017 12:59 AM, Salmiakki wrote:
> But those should work in 3.2 just fine, right?
>

Probably not; both because forcing the repository to the 4.0 will try to
upgrade a lot of other system components, so the actual update may
involve very convoluted command lines to avoid anything but the
template, and because AFAIR the architecture for 4.0 should be different
enough for the qubes-vm-tools not to work correctly (or at all, I don't
know).

It's strange that the templates are in one repo and not in the other,
especially since fedora 25 works perfectly in qubes 3.2, and you can get
that just upgrading the fedora 24 template.

--
Alex

[qubester]

Are you, by chance, saying that upgrading from F24-> F25, would be the
same as how the docs say to do a F23->F24 upgrade?

If so, I guess people should be doing this ?