Qubes 4 boot ISO
Drew White
I have just tried installing Qubes 4 on my Laptop.
It meets ALL of the REQUIREMENTS and then some, for installation.
However I can't even boot the ISO.
I get the "Failed to load ldlinux.c32" error.
Is this a normal occurance for some issue?
Or is there an issue with the ISO?
I have downloaded the ISO twice, and had the same issue.
Hope there is a solution to what is wrong with ISOLINUX in the ISO.
Sincerely,
Drew.
Drew White
If I install onto HDD via Qubes, will it boot int he PC normally or have the error?
Any thoughts?
Drew White
Installing in Guest only works if it is not using an external drive as it's primary drive (most likely secondary too).
Drew White
Does anyone have any possible resolution to resolve this please?
awokd
> Still not working no matter what I do.
>
>
> Does anyone have any possible resolution to resolve this please?
qubes.iso /dev/xvdj" (where xvdj is your USB device) should work. You can
also try switching to legacy boot mode.
Drew White
I burn it to DVD. It is an ISO after all.
I always use Legacy Boot mode.
Teqleez Motley
2. Sometimes the safest bet is also to use BIOS Legacy Mode (disable the BIOS secure boot function + enable the BIOS CSM legacy mode).
3. If an otherwise properly made USB stick still does not boot, there are also some BIOS systems that oddly places the recognised USB stick "inside" the list of bootable Hard Drives. Read: AS a Hard Drive, as if you now have more than your normal 1+ HDDs...
In those cases, you need to enter into the hard drive menu option, change the order so that the USB stick is the first, and then go back and also place it before the hard drive in the main Boot order menu (in these cases there are 2 places to do this, and you must place it first in both those lists...)
4. Then there is the not-too-rare situation where a particular system/computer is incompatible with a particular USB stick, so it does not boot it even if another computer does. Change to another USB stick model/make and try that one.
5. And in some cases, it still fails even if all has been done properly, and all pieces are technically ready, IF you exit the BIOS when saving the last changes with the normal direct "exit-and-save-and-reboot" option. Sometimes you actually have to then power off completely right after it has rebooted (as long as the BIOS changes are actually saved), remove and re-insert the USB stick and then power the computer back on. Strange, but that also happens.
(And add to any possible confusion that yet again some systems seems to alter the boot order (or have forgotten your saved changes) when you get back into the BIOS after having physically removed the USB key, or tried to boot/replace it with another USB key. Sometimes that is only an unsaved suggestion that happens when you re-enter the BIOS. Your saved order might still actually be in place as long as you boot from that particular USB stick you used when saving the BIOS changes the last time.)
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Regards,
Teqleez
awokd
require dual-layer burner support. Ended up using Debian Stretch with
default software and a newer drive before I got a good burn. If you're
using some other tool, try Debian instead.
Drew White
The Qubes 4 ISO fits on a normal DVD. So it's fine.
The thing is it worked and booted in a Guest once.
But wouldn't boot on the PC or using external HDD.
This is why I am unsure.
I have all the requirements filled, but it won't boot to it because of that issue.
Drew White
Thanks for the details, good to know for using USB. But it's an ISO, not a USB Image that I am using. As I stated I am using Legacy. You should put the information you posted here somewhere that it relates to though.
Teqleez Motley
> Thanks for the details, good to know for using USB. But it's an ISO, not
> a USB Image that I am using. As I stated I am using Legacy.
Not sure If I get your meaning in your last comment, unless you did not know you can use ISO files with USB sticks?
About not booting the external USB:
Ref. #3 in my list about some USBs (sticks, or external drives, no difference here) which sometimes gets listed by the BIOS as Hard Drives, and always then gets listed AFTER the current hard drive. In those cases one need to re-order that list, so that the external USB is tried before the internal HDD.
+ Also make sure that the USB partition in question actually has the Boot flag after installation.
(BIOS can not fix that, AFAIK, need to use a tool like fdisk, gparted, gnome disks or the like.)
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Regards,
Teqleez
Drew White
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, at 02:13, Drew White wrote:
> > Thanks for the details, good to know for using USB. But it's an ISO, not
> > a USB Image that I am using. As I stated I am using Legacy.
>
> You can burn ISO images to USB sticks, which effectively makes them behave like a CD/DVD.
> Not sure If I get your meaning in your last comment, unless you did not know you can use ISO files with USB sticks?
>
You can, but I'm using a DVD, not a USB that takes the ISO and writes it to USB. Even if I did that I would still have the same issue if it isn't even booting from an ISO OR a DVD. There is a lot more than just burning it that is causing any issue. It's the ISO/DVD itself from Qubes that has an issue.
Nothing my end, just the Qubes ISO from Qubes.
awokd
> You can, but I'm using a DVD, not a USB that takes the ISO and writes it
> to USB. Even if I did that I would still have the same issue if it isn't
> even booting from an ISO OR a DVD. There is a lot more than just burning
> it that is causing any issue. It's the ISO/DVD itself from Qubes that has
> an issue.
>
> Nothing my end, just the Qubes ISO from Qubes.
more reports of that ldlinux.c32 error. I used the DVD to install my
systems and it worked fine in both UEFI and legacy once I got a
good/verified burn. Things to try to narrow down the problem:
- boot the DVD in UEFI mode
- try the DVD on a different system
- use a USB drive instead
- since Qubes mostly uses the Fedora installer, try a web search for
"Fedora ldlinux.c32". When I tried it, the second hit was to a page about
problems created with a certain burning tool, thus my earlier suggestion
to use the one built in to Debian.
cooloutac
Are you sure its fine? You can't even download the iso to a default qube its so big. 4.7gb is the size of a normal dvd. And thats the same space I needed to download the iso sucessfully. Thats cutting it pretty close, you sure a bigger dvd wouldn't help?
john
on a HDD, invest in a small Solid State drive of some sort
And try not to preserve your old Windows installation just have 2 HDs
one of an SSD for the Q4 and 8GB RAM, and stick to the formula,
otherwise there are just too many variables to troubleshoot to begin with.
When you finally do get it installed if you don't have at least 8GB ram
you probably may also be unhappy, so 'bite the bullet', on the SSD and
try to follow the excellent documentation on installation and use ;
new modern computers have DVDs anymore, so ......
Drew White
100% sure.
I'm downloading to a Guest and I have all my ISOs stored on an external drive.
I know the ISO is fine because it booted on a local Guest, then I tried on another drive in the guest, but as soon as I went to another HD it started to fail and not work.
Therefore, I can only conclude that it is the actual Qubes installer since it worked only in that one exact scenario.
If you had read my posts, all of the first ones, you would have seen my tests there.
Drew White
john
> Is there no one that has had this issue and resolved it?
>
your complaint.
Or what your trying to do... what do you mean by you installed to "a
guest" and what qubes 4.0 was up and running , and now .... you want
to install it where ? and it , what, won't install to what etc etc
anyway mr. awokd is the one to listen to .... otherwise people will
probably give up, but wish you luck
Drew White
> On 05/02/18 14:25, Drew White wrote:
> > Is there no one that has had this issue and resolved it?
> >
> I've read through all your posts, and I don't clearly even understand
> your complaint.
>
> Or what your trying to do... what do you mean by you installed to "a
> guest" and what qubes 4.0 was up and running , and now .... you want
> to install it where ? and it , what, won't install to what etc etc
A guest, a virtual machine, they are called guests because they live and run inside the main machine.
I created a guest. I mounted the ISO to it. I booted it up and installed Qubes 4.0. I even did it with the burned disk.
Now I want to install it to my PC. So that it is no longer a guest but the owner.
As I said, it won't install to any HD that I try to install to.
It has that not found issue.
> anyway mr. awokd is the one to listen to .... otherwise people will
> probably give up, but wish you luck
I do listen to him, I listen to everyone and accept all information if it is on topic and of assistance to that.
As I already have done that I informed as to that it was having the issue for no reason. Unless I have a bad download.
As for your comment regarding the HDD, whether I am using an HDD or SSD doesn't matter, I'm just trying to install to test and make sure it is all working properly before I upgrade my SSD from 3.2 to 4.
So an SSD or HDD, whichever HD I use, it won't install and has that issue.
Which confuses me. Why does it work as a guest, but not when I put it to an HD?
VHD works, HD doesn't.
That is what is so confusing about all this.
john
and you don't want to create a new clean installation media to troubleshoot?
Drew White
> well what kind of computer are you installing to?
>
> and you don't want to create a new clean installation media to troubleshoot?
Laptop. HP 8460p.
I created 2 in the first place, it worked in the guest without an HD. Attached an HD instead of a VHD and it didn't work.
awokd
> On Friday, 4 May 2018 09:19:19 UTC+10, john wrote:
> I created a guest. I mounted the ISO to it. I booted it up and installed
> Qubes 4.0. I even did it with the burned disk.
> Now I want to install it to my PC. So that it is no longer a guest but
> the owner.
>
> As I said, it won't install to any HD that I try to install to.
> It has that not found issue.
>> anyway mr. awokd is the one to listen to .... otherwise people will
>> probably give up, but wish you luck
> As I already have done that I informed as to that it was having the issue
> for no reason. Unless I have a bad download.
https://www.mail-archive.com/qubes...@googlegroups.com/msg21745.html ?
Based on the new info. above, also add these to the list of things to try:
- boot the DVD in legacy mode instead of UEFI
- try using Refind- boot to Refind then use that to boot the Qubes install
Drew White
> On Fri, May 4, 2018 1:57 am, Drew White wrote:
> > On Friday, 4 May 2018 09:19:19 UTC+10, john wrote:
>
> > I created a guest. I mounted the ISO to it. I booted it up and installed
> > Qubes 4.0. I even did it with the burned disk.
>
> Thanks, that last item is new info.
How did you not get this information from my initial posts?
Just curious so that I know how I can improve my explanation to better allow people to understand.
> > Now I want to install it to my PC. So that it is no longer a guest but
> > the owner.
> >
> > As I said, it won't install to any HD that I try to install to.
> > It has that not found issue.
>
> >> anyway mr. awokd is the one to listen to .... otherwise people will
> >> probably give up, but wish you luck
>
> And thank you, Mr. John. :)
>
> > As I already have done that I informed as to that it was having the issue
> > for no reason. Unless I have a bad download.
>
> Did you see my suggestions in
> https://www.mail-archive.com/qubes...@googlegroups.com/msg21745.html ?
> Based on the new info. above, also add these to the list of things to try:
>
> - boot the DVD in legacy mode instead of UEFI
> - try using Refind- boot to Refind then use that to boot the Qubes install
I don't use UEFI because I want to remain in control of my PC, not let Microsoft and others have control.
What is "Refind"? (I will have to look it up.)
799
I don't use UEFI because I want to remain in control of my PC, not let Microsoft and others have control.
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Drew White
Happy to know someone out there knows what I am on about.
Do you know if they have any decent replacement for the HDD UEFI instead of good BIOS yet? One that is secure for storage on the HDD?
Or should I store the UEFI on a separate drive to my OS and DATA drives? Is that possible? Would it work better?
Drew White
> https://www.mail-archive.com/qubes...@googlegroups.com/msg21745.html ?
> Based on the new info. above, also add these to the list of things to try:
>
> - boot the DVD in legacy mode instead of UEFI
> - try using Refind- boot to Refind then use that to boot the Qubes install
Refind is for EFI based. I'm not using EFI.
I can't use EFI without disabling things that allow my PC to be secure.
I will give it a try if I can turn on UEFI booting at some point when I can find out how to disable the security that I have on the board at the moment, with the ability to turn it back on afterwards.
However I still want BIOS, not UEFI, so doing that will only be testing the boot, which it should not matter if I'm using BIOS or UEFI for booting if the ISO was correct.