Recommended laptop

[我]

Hello.

I installed Qubes3.2 on my MacBook 2009 late. But I could not use WiFi.

So I want to buy a new laptop for qubes4. What laptop is recommended?

How about libreboot T400?

https://minifree.org/product/libreboot-t400/

[799]

Hello,

My suggestion would be get a Thinkpad, which is on both "compatibility lists" (HCL - Hardware Compatibility List)

1) Coreboot HCL

https://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards 

2) Qubes OS

https://www.qubes-os.org/hcl/

As you haven't provided any information what you want to do on your Laptop and which form factor and battery runtime is right for you, nobody can give an advice.

What are your requirements?

As always in live it's about finding the right trade-off. 

I have two Laptops, one 12" with Core i5 and 16GB RAM, working WWAN and a very long battery runtime and a 15" with Core i7 / 32 GB RAM and a 3K-Display.

Using the 12" much more and haven't run into any performance issues.

Only recommendation: if possible grab 16 GB RAM, feels right.

[799]

[awokd]

Libreboots are nice but Qubes 4.0 can't run on them. It needs newer CPU
features:
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/system-requirements/#qubes-release-4x. The
only laptop that comes close to the Libreboot level of owner control and
still has the capability to run Qubes 4.0 is a Lenovo G505s. There are
other A10-5750M laptops out there but they haven't been tested with Qubes.

If you aren't concerned about owner control, check
https://www.qubes-os.org/hcl/ for other laptops reported to work with 4.0.

[awokd]

Should add that if you go with a G505s, please be prepared to flash it
with Coreboot yourself. It will need an external SPI programmer.

[799]

Am 07.03.2018 8:21 vorm. schrieb "'awokd' via qubes-users" <qubes...@googlegroups.com>:

> If you aren't concerned about owner control, check
> https://www.qubes-os.org/hcl/ for other laptops reported to work with 4.0.

Should add that if you go with a G505s, please be prepared to flash it
with Coreboot yourself. It will need an external SPI programmer.

If using Coreboot instead of Libreboot aren't their better options than the G505s which seems to be a consumer device.

As the question "what should I buy?" seems to be common, is this in the FAQ? Maybe also with some more details regarding Stock ROM vs. Coreboot vs Coreboot + ME_cleaner vs. Libreboot?

[799]

[awokd]

On Wed, March 7, 2018 7:30 am, 799 wrote:
> Am 07.03.2018 8:21 vorm. schrieb "'awokd' via qubes-users" <
> qubes...@googlegroups.com>:

>

> If using Coreboot instead of Libreboot aren't their better options than
> the G505s which seems to be a consumer device.

Libreboot is different than Coreboot because it insists on no Intel ME/AMD
PSP and no blobs. A corebooted G505s is the only R4.0 capable laptop I've
been able to find that still contains no form of ME/PSP, although it does
need a couple blobs. The chiclet keyboard and glossy screen are pretty
unpleasant, though.

> As the question "what should I buy?" seems to be common, is this in the
> FAQ? Maybe also with some more details regarding Stock ROM vs. Coreboot vs
> Coreboot + ME_cleaner vs. Libreboot?

There's https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/#choosing-your-hardware in the docs
and FAQ links to same but maybe some type of decision tree?

[awokd]

On Wed, March 7, 2018 7:46 am, awokd wrote:

> There's https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/#choosing-your-hardware in the docs
> and FAQ links to same but maybe some type of decision tree?

Here's my first attempt at one. Links don't work in its current location,
but it should be easy to follow. I'm not entirely sure this belongs on
Qubes' site so I threw in a disclaimer.

https://github.com/awokd/qubes-doc/blob/hardwaretree/hardware/hardware-tree.md

[Yuraeitha]

That is pretty awesome project awokd! It'd be amazing if you can finish and polish it, it's definitely very useful work.

[我]

I decided to buy Lenovo G505s.
Thank you very much.

The hardware selection tree has become a big help I've decided.

[Tai...@gmx.com]

Ah you have made a good choice, I hope you have gotten the one with the
A10 and the dedicated graphics as it is much faster.
It is the freest best relatively modern laptop out there, the novena is
freer but it has no IOMMU.

In terms of freedom hardware with desktops/workstations/servers you have
real options, let me know if you want to get one and I will help you :D