Witch one is the best?

[Mélissa Ch.]

Hi, I new here and i im a french person. So excuse for my english.

I want to know witch one in my pc are the best for Qube and witch version of Qube.

the fist one i use evreday:

Amd Athlon(tm) II X4 645 Processor 3.10 GHz

Mémoire 4 Go ram

Système d'exploitation 64 bits, processeur x64.

Sur Windows 10 pro.

Carte graphique  NVIDIA GeForce  8400GS

PC ACPI processor x64

And the second one never put on the web:

Silitech

Intel(R)  Core(TM)  i5-3450 CPU @ 3.10 GHz   3.10GHz

Mémoire 16.0 Go ram

Système d’exploitation 64 bits

Windows 7 Familiale Premium

Carte graphique  ADM Radeon HD 7470

PC ACPI x64-based PC

Thank a lot! 

[awokd]

Mélissa Ch.:

> Silitech
>
> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3450 CPU @ 3.10 GHz 3.10GHz
>
> Mémoire 16.0 Go ram
>
> Système d’exploitation 64 bits
>
> Windows 7 Familiale Premium
>
> Carte graphique ADM Radeon HD 7470

This one is the better Qubes candidate because of the AMD video card and
16GB RAM. Be aware Qubes can sometimes be more challenging to install
than Windows, so might need troubleshooting.

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[Mélissa Ch.]

> Silitech
>
> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3450 CPU @ 3.10 GHz 3.10GHz
>
> Mémoire 16.0 Go ram
>
> Système d’exploitation 64 bits
>
> Windows 7 Familiale Premium
>
> Carte graphique ADM Radeon HD 7470

This one is the better Qubes candidate because of the AMD video card and
16GB RAM. Be aware Qubes can sometimes be more challenging to install
than Windows, so might need troubleshooting.

Thank you! 

And another question. 

How to veryfie the key. I mean, i have donwload the file and verify the key on the web. But i can't fint on my systeme/machine  the GPG2 program to do the rest of the vérifycation like on the Qube page said?  On this one tha i use now i have Windows 10 and on the othr one not on the web for now. The silitech is Windows 7. 

Thank a lot ! 

[Frédéric Pierret]

On 2020-08-25 23:51, Mélissa Ch. wrote:
>
>> Silitech
>>
>> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3450 CPU @ 3.10 GHz 3.10GHz
>>
>> Mémoire 16.0 Go ram
>>
>> Système d’exploitation 64 bits
>>
>> Windows 7 Familiale Premium
>>
>> Carte graphique ADM Radeon HD 7470
>
> This one is the better Qubes candidate because of the AMD video card and
> 16GB RAM. Be aware Qubes can sometimes be more challenging to install
> than Windows, so might need troubleshooting.
>
>
> Thank you! 
>
> And another question. 
> How to veryfie the key. I mean, i have donwload the file and verify the key on the web. But i can't fint on my systeme/machine  the GPG2 program to do the rest of the vérifycation like on the Qube page said?  On this one tha i use now i have Windows 10 and on the othr one not on the web for now. The silitech is Windows 7. 

If you want to verify Qubes key on Windows I guess you can use one of the binary provided by GnuPG: https://gnupg.org/download/. I would dig through this. Another solution is to boot on a livecd on your current machine and use the gpg program provided. A Fedora livecd can do the work.

Best regards,
Frédéric

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> Thank a lot ! 
> Le dimanche 23 août 2020 à 11 h 21 min 36 s UTC-4, awokd a écrit :
>
> Mélissa Ch.:
>
> > Silitech
> >
> > Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3450 CPU @ 3.10 GHz 3.10GHz
> >
> > Mémoire 16.0 Go ram
> >
> > Système d’exploitation 64 bits
> >
> > Windows 7 Familiale Premium
> >
> > Carte graphique ADM Radeon HD 7470
>
> This one is the better Qubes candidate because of the AMD video card and
> 16GB RAM. Be aware Qubes can sometimes be more challenging to install
> than Windows, so might need troubleshooting.
>
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[Mélissa Ch.]

Hi and thank you,

I will do in french. 

If you want to verify Qubes key on Windows I guess you can use one of the binary provided by GnuPG: https://gnupg.org/download/. I would dig through this. Another solution is to boot on a livecd on your current machine and use the gpg program provided. A Fedora livecd can do the work.

Best regards,
Frédéric

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BEGIN FRECNH.
J'ai télécharger le programme binaire pour Windows les deux version . Donc GnuPG 1.4 et 2. Je l'ais aie installées.  Premièrement, je les voie installée dans le dossier de Windows Programme (x86) mais pas ailleurs, pas d'icone sur le bureau, dans la barre de tâche et dans la liste des programmes dans la fenêtre Windows. Deuxièmement j'ai essayer d'aller via le dossier programme (x86)/gnupg/bin  la ou sont tout les ficher applications. J'ai essayer les fichier et rien ne fonctionne. La fenêtre ouvre, je met la clef et rien. Même chose pour la version 1.4  programme (x86)/gnu/gnupg et je clique sur les fichier applications et rien. 

J'ai dé-installer et ré-installer et toujours pareil. En plus les fichier clefs que j'avais sont maintenant rendu avec l'icone de dé-installation de la version 2 et quand je clique dessus cela démarre de dé-installation du programme.

Que faire? ou comment faire? 

J'ai aussi un live TAIL est-ce que cela pourrait fonctionner pour vérifier la clef de Qube os?

Je vais essayer de voir pour me faire un liveUsb de Fedora. 

END FRENCH.

Merci. 

[Stumpy]

On 2020-08-23 11:21, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
> Mélissa Ch.:
>
>> Silitech
>>
>> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3450 CPU @ 3.10 GHz 3.10GHz
>>
>> Mémoire 16.0 Go ram
>>
>> Système d’exploitation 64 bits
>>
>> Windows 7 Familiale Premium
>>
>> Carte graphique ADM Radeon HD 7470
>
> This one is the better Qubes candidate because of the AMD video card and
> 16GB RAM. Be aware Qubes can sometimes be more challenging to install
> than Windows, so might need troubleshooting.
>

I am planning to put a new system together at some point and saw this
post when i was looking for AMD related posts.

I have a Radeon card that has the number of ports i need and works fine
so i dont think i need to worry about graphics.

My question is, would some of the newer/faster AMD CPUs and chipsets
work with Qubes?

I am more price/performance sensitive than i am "brand loyal" but it
seems to me that one gets more speed for less money with AMD nowadays so
was really hoping to get a faster AMD proc with an m2 drive and speedy mem?

Thoughts would be appreciated.

[Jarrah]

>
> My question is, would some of the newer/faster AMD CPUs and chipsets
> work with Qubes?

I can speak for the 2000 series working. I believe some people have
working 3000 series, but 4000 has been a serious issue. Not sure if
that's the CPU or the specific laptop.

https://qubes-os.discourse.group/t/qubes-support-on-amd-4000-series-lenovo-x13-t14/202/1

[Catacombs]

And the second one never put on the web:

Silitech

Intel(R)  Core(TM)  i5-3450 CPU @ 3.10 GHz   3.10GHz

Mémoire 16.0 Go ram

Système d’exploitation 64 bits

Windows 7 Familiale Premium

This sounds like it is a similar to a Lenovo X230, which is the only PC which the Qubes website names as a Qubes Certified hardware, although it has some other changes, like installing Core Boot. 

Reasons for that are on the Qubes site.  https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/certified-hardware/

Lenovo X230 runs more slowly than one would like.  Then again, it makes use of a PC that you are not, apparently using.   It is a good place to get ones feet wet.   Likely fewer install issues.  With the Lenovo X230 beware of upgrading the MOBO Firmware, the later versions will lock it against doing some things that you may choose to do in the future.   Such as install Core Boot, or running a program 1yvrain to .....

Best Wishes

[Stumpy]

Thanks. Actually I'd be totally happy with the 3000 series. The HCL
seems to show that indeed up to 2000 seems to work fairly well with a
few caveats i guess but i was not able to find any 3000 procs on the
list. Anyone out there have AMD 3000 series, pref desktop that is
working well?

Also, are there certain chipsets that work better with qubes than
(hopefully somewhat newer ones)

[Mélissa Ch.]

HI Catacombs,

And the second one never put on the web:

Silitech

Intel(R)  Core(TM)  i5-3450 CPU @ 3.10 GHz   3.10GHz

Mémoire 16.0 Go ram

Système d’exploitation 64 bits

Windows 7 Familiale Premium

This sounds like it is a similar to a Lenovo X230, which is the only PC which the Qubes website names as a Qubes Certified hardware, although it has some other changes, like installing Core Boot. 

Reasons for that are on the Qubes site.  https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/certified-hardware/

Lenovo X230 runs more slowly than one would like.  Then again, it makes use of a PC that you are not, apparently using.   It is a good place to get ones feet wet.   Likely fewer install issues.  With the Lenovo X230 beware of upgrading the MOBO Firmware, the later versions will lock it against doing some things that you may choose to do in the future.   Such as install Core Boot, or running a program 1yvrain to .....

Best Wishes

Fist excuse for my english.

I have instal Qube on a external hard-drive and use the silitech pc tower. I have put in the bios the visualisation "on"  Evrething goes well, Qube start, i can go in whit my loggin info. The only problem i have actualy is i can't open any cube. They have a error message, 

Domain..... has failed to start: failed to start an HVM qube whitc PCI devices assigned - hadware does not support IOMMU/VT-d/AMD-Vi

The graphique card is: AMD Radeon hd 7470.    processor (0x6778) compatible advance micro device.   Pci 2.0 x16

The bios is a  AMI Po3-A1 version 2.7

Actualy i wait for my rooteur to arrived at end of October. After i will try to make a update of the bios and see what is going to do.  Or i will have to upgrade this tower or ???? 

[Chris Laprise]

Based on the patches that have to be applied to get Qubes 4.1 working on
Ryzen 4000, I'd say its a Qubes-vs-CPU compatibility issue and not about
the computers' other specifics.

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[Chris Laprise]

On 9/20/20 2:08 PM, Chris Laprise wrote:
> On 9/19/20 11:16 PM, Jarrah wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My question is, would some of the newer/faster AMD CPUs and chipsets
>>> work with Qubes?
>>
>> I can speak for the 2000 series working. I believe some people have
>> working 3000 series, but 4000 has been a serious issue. Not sure if
>> that's the CPU or the specific laptop.
>>
>> https://qubes-os.discourse.group/t/qubes-support-on-amd-4000-series-lenovo-x13-t14/202/1
>>
>>
>
> Based on the patches that have to be applied to get Qubes 4.1 working on
> Ryzen 4000, I'd say its a Qubes-vs-CPU compatibility issue and not about
> the computers' other specifics.
>

BTW the patches are already applied in the Qubes 4.1 repository; I don't
want to imply you have to do that manually. And a 4.1 alpha may be
coming really soon.

But getting Qubes 4.0 working on Ryzen 4000 appears unlikely.

[Stumpy]

On 2020-09-20 14:24, Chris Laprise wrote:
> On 9/20/20 2:08 PM, Chris Laprise wrote:
>> On 9/19/20 11:16 PM, Jarrah wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My question is, would some of the newer/faster AMD CPUs and chipsets
>>>> work with Qubes?
>>>
>>> I can speak for the 2000 series working. I believe some people have
>>> working 3000 series, but 4000 has been a serious issue. Not sure if
>>> that's the CPU or the specific laptop.
>>>
>>> https://qubes-os.discourse.group/t/qubes-support-on-amd-4000-series-lenovo-x13-t14/202/1
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Based on the patches that have to be applied to get Qubes 4.1 working
>> on Ryzen 4000, I'd say its a Qubes-vs-CPU compatibility issue and not
>> about the computers' other specifics.
>>
>
> BTW the patches are already applied in the Qubes 4.1 repository; I don't
> want to imply you have to do that manually. And a 4.1 alpha may be
> coming really soon.
>
> But getting Qubes 4.0 working on Ryzen 4000 appears unlikely.
>

But a Ryzen 3000 is a relatively safe bet?

[Chris Laprise]

I would say the evidence is scant, except that someone with a Ryzen 3000
laptop had problems that sounded a lot like the Ryzen 4000 problems.
OTOH at least one Ryzen 3000 _desktop_ is known to work:

https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/caa18235-cecd-64c7-f989-5bf4661f59c8%40posteo.de

For laptops, Ryzen 1xxx and 2xxx appear to be a safer bet. Personally, I
think Ryzen 4000 is compelling enough to go through the trouble of
building a Qubes 4.1 installer (and then fixing the installer's mistakes).

[Stumpy]

Well perhaps I will hurry up and wait :)
I likely wont get around to my new build until after the new year, and
while I am looking to upgrade (2012 i5 currently) I am not in a super
hurry and not bent on getting the 4000 necessarily, was ready to settle
for the 3000 (though sounds like qubes isnt quite ready for either).

Thanks for the info.

[awokd]

Mélissa Ch.:

> Fist excuse for my english.
> I have instal Qube on a external hard-drive and use the silitech pc tower.
> I have put in the bios the visualisation "on" Evrething goes well, Qube
> start, i can go in whit my loggin info. The only problem i have actualy is
> i can't open any cube. They have a error message,
>
> Domain..... has failed to start: failed to start an HVM qube whitc PCI
> devices assigned - hadware does not support IOMMU/VT-d/AMD-Vi
>
> The graphique card is: AMD Radeon hd 7470. processor (0x6778) compatible
> advance micro device. Pci 2.0 x16
>
> The bios is a AMI Po3-A1 version 2.7
>
> Actualy i wait for my rooteur to arrived at end of October. After i will
> try to make a update of the bios and see what is going to do. Or i will
> have to upgrade this tower or ????

Bios update is a good idea, but double check to see if there is another
virtualization option in it to enable VT-d. Your motherboard, processor,
and Bios all need to support VT-d for it to work right.

[Mélissa Ch.]

TO AWOKD

Thank a lot i will verified what i can do for now. Otherwise i will wait for my rooter and make some update. 

> Fist excuse for my english.
> I have instal Qube on a external hard-drive and use the silitech pc tower.
> I have put in the bios the visualisation "on" Evrething goes well, Qube
> start, i can go in whit my loggin info. The only problem i have actualy is
> i can't open any cube. They have a error message,
>
> Domain..... has failed to start: failed to start an HVM qube whitc PCI
> devices assigned - hadware does not support IOMMU/VT-d/AMD-Vi
>
> The graphique card is: AMD Radeon hd 7470. processor (0x6778) compatible
> advance micro device. Pci 2.0 x16
>
> The bios is a AMI Po3-A1 version 2.7
>
> Actualy i wait for my rooteur to arrived at end of October. After i will
> try to make a update of the bios and see what is going to do. Or i will
> have to upgrade this tower or ????

Bios update is a good idea, but double check to see if there is another
virtualization option in it to enable VT-d. Your motherboard, processor,
and Bios all need to support VT-d for it to work right.

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