Remnder: Ubuntu-template anyone?

[Achim Patzner]

Hi!


Has anybody had success getting a Ubuntu template compiled? Even at 16.04?



Achim

[Unman]

If you mean "at all", then some months back I built a 14.04. Haven't
tried anything more recent.

unman

[Achim Patzner]

Am 10.06.2016 um 23:30 schrieb Unman:

>> Has anybody had success getting a Ubuntu template compiled? Even at 16.04?

> If you mean "at all", then some months back I built a 14.04. Haven't
> tried anything more recent.

Right now I'm not able to even compile it even after getting a fresh
building environment... I guess I'll have to get some more exercise,
then, unless someone is generating a working setup.


Achim

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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I think currently builder-debian support at most vivid. But it shouldn't
be hard to add anything newer.

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Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
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[Unman]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 09:33:47PM +0200, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 09:29:19PM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote:
> > Am 10.06.2016 um 23:30 schrieb Unman:
> >
> > >> Has anybody had success getting a Ubuntu template compiled? Even at 16.04?
> > > If you mean "at all", then some months back I built a 14.04. Haven't
> > > tried anything more recent.
> >
> > Right now I'm not able to even compile it even after getting a fresh
> > building environment... I guess I'll have to get some more exercise,
> > then, unless someone is generating a working setup.
>
> I think currently builder-debian support at most vivid. But it shouldn't
> be hard to add anything newer.
>

> --
> Best Regards,
> Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
> Invisible Things Lab
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>

It isn't.
Last night I built Xenial - I'll put in a PR today, although there's
some stuff that needs tidying up - why don't the versions share the same
keyring? Why identical package lists? Looks like a fair bit of
duplication for reasons that escape me.

Also, is there a need to retain the old versions? My preference would be
to just have LTS. Thoughts on this?

unman

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:23:42PM +0100, Unman wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 09:33:47PM +0200, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 09:29:19PM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote:
> > > Am 10.06.2016 um 23:30 schrieb Unman:
> > >
> > > >> Has anybody had success getting a Ubuntu template compiled? Even at 16.04?
> > > > If you mean "at all", then some months back I built a 14.04. Haven't
> > > > tried anything more recent.
> > >
> > > Right now I'm not able to even compile it even after getting a fresh
> > > building environment... I guess I'll have to get some more exercise,
> > > then, unless someone is generating a working setup.
> >
> > I think currently builder-debian support at most vivid. But it shouldn't
> > be hard to add anything newer.
>

> It isn't.
> Last night I built Xenial - I'll put in a PR today,

How have you solved problem with /etc/xdg/Trolltech.conf conflict?

> although there's
> some stuff that needs tidying up - why don't the versions share the same
> keyring?

If Canonical decide to to change the key, to be able to support that.
But if the keyring is the same for now, it can be symlinked.

> Why identical package lists?

Actually, for Xenial you'll probably need slightly different package
list, as there is no linux-firmware-nonfree package anymore.

But if it turns out to be the same, it can be symlinked. The same
applies to appmenus.

> Looks like a fair bit of
> duplication for reasons that escape me.
>
> Also, is there a need to retain the old versions? My preference would be
> to just have LTS. Thoughts on this?

Yes, good idea. Or maybe two of them - latest LTS and latest release in
general.

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Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

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[Unman]

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:39:00AM +0200, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:23:42PM +0100, Unman wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 09:33:47PM +0200, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 09:29:19PM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote:
> > > > Am 10.06.2016 um 23:30 schrieb Unman:
> > > >
> > > > >> Has anybody had success getting a Ubuntu template compiled? Even at 16.04?
> > > > > If you mean "at all", then some months back I built a 14.04. Haven't
> > > > > tried anything more recent.
> > > >
> > > > Right now I'm not able to even compile it even after getting a fresh
> > > > building environment... I guess I'll have to get some more exercise,
> > > > then, unless someone is generating a working setup.
> > >
> > > I think currently builder-debian support at most vivid. But it shouldn't
> > > be hard to add anything newer.
> >
> > It isn't.
> > Last night I built Xenial - I'll put in a PR today,
>
> How have you solved problem with /etc/xdg/Trolltech.conf conflict?

Put the Qubes one in ~/.config and in skel.
I think that should work ok generally, except for switching VM to xenial
template. Then it's just ordinary Trolltech.conf troubles.

>
> > although there's
> > some stuff that needs tidying up - why don't the versions share the same
> > keyring?
>
> If Canonical decide to to change the key, to be able to support that.
> But if the keyring is the same for now, it can be symlinked.
>
> > Why identical package lists?
>
> Actually, for Xenial you'll probably need slightly different package
> list, as there is no linux-firmware-nonfree package anymore.

Yes, but most of the others are just copies

> But if it turns out to be the same, it can be symlinked. The same
> applies to appmenus.
>
> > Looks like a fair bit of
> > duplication for reasons that escape me.
> >
> > Also, is there a need to retain the old versions? My preference would be
> > to just have LTS. Thoughts on this?
>
> Yes, good idea. Or maybe two of them - latest LTS and latest release in
> general.

I'll clean this up if that's ok.

[Frank Schäckermann]

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 1:30:46 AM UTC+2, Unman wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:39:00AM +0200, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:23:42PM +0100, Unman wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 09:33:47PM +0200, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 09:29:19PM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote:
> > > > > Am 10.06.2016 um 23:30 schrieb Unman:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> Has anybody had success getting a Ubuntu template compiled? Even at 16.04?
> > > > > > If you mean "at all", then some months back I built a 14.04. Haven't
> > > > > > tried anything more recent.
> > > > >
> > > > > Right now I'm not able to even compile it even after getting a fresh
> > > > > building environment... I guess I'll have to get some more exercise,
> > > > > then, unless someone is generating a working setup.
> > > >
> > > > I think currently builder-debian support at most vivid. But it shouldn't
> > > > be hard to add anything newer.
> > >
> > > It isn't.
> > > Last night I built Xenial - I'll put in a PR today,

Has this happened? I'd like to build a 16.04 template, but the Qubes Builder in the offical QubesOS repository does not offer Xenial - neither does the one in Mareks repository...

Regards, Frank

[richar...@gmail.com]

> > > > Last night I built Xenial - I'll put in a PR today,
>
> Has this happened? I'd like to build a 16.04 template, but the Qubes Builder in the offical QubesOS repository does not offer Xenial - neither does the one in Mareks repository...

I'd also be very interested in this. I have created a Vivid template and upgraded that to Wily successfully (Wily is already out of support, however), but had no luck with upgrading from Wily to Xenial. The upgrades does work and the VM boots successfully, but the Xorg install is broken so the Qubes GUI integration does not work - it complains about the ABI major version not matching.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Richard

[Robert Mittendorf]

What would be the advantage of a Ubuntu-template compared to the Debian
template?
(No offense, I'm just curious)

[Unman]

Ah, ok. I submitted a PR and then we got bogged down with handling of
the Trolltech.conf. I havent returned to it since.

I'll have another look and we'll get the xenial build in there

unman

[Unman]

No offense taken.

Comparing Stable with LTS, probably not that great a difference. Perhaps
Ubuntu is slightly easier out of the box and the core software is well
integrated.
Comparing stable with Ubuntu releases, Ubuntu will generally have newer
versions and better driver support.

[Achim Patzner]

Even Arch was already a major improvement for me... I've baesd most of
my machines on a (rather easy to produce) arch template...


Achim


>

[richar...@gmail.com]

> Ah, ok. I submitted a PR and then we got bogged down with handling of
> the Trolltech.conf. I havent returned to it since.
>
> I'll have another look and we'll get the xenial build in there

That's fantastic. Thanks very much!

Best regards,

Richard