Re: [qubes-users] do I really need these packages in dom0 :?

[Oleg Artemiev]

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Oleg Artemiev <grey...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
> <marm...@invisiblethingslab.com> wrote:
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>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 06:23:22AM +0300, Oleg Artemiev wrote:
>>> After installing qubes 3.2 looked into dom0 updates.
>>>
>>> Found some that I possibly ok to remove:
>>>
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires tigervnc-server-minimal
>>> anaconda-gui-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires anaconda-gui
>>> initial-setup-gui-0.3.37-1.fc23.x86_64
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires initial-setup-gui
>>> no package requires initial-setup-gui
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$
>>
>> It is used during fist system startup. Later can be removed.
>>
>>> Also, do I really need this in Dom0:
>>>
>>> [root@dom0 olli]# rpm -q --whatrequires openssh
>>> openssh-askpass-7.2p2-3.fc23.x86_64
>>> [root@dom0 olli]# rpm -q --whatrequires openssh-askpass
>>> no package requires openssh-askpass
>>> [root@dom0 olli]#
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Also I've Network Manager in Dom0 - why - it is designed never have
>>> networking. It is left by anaconda - setup program. Why not to delete
>>> it?
>>
>> See above.
>>
>>> lli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -qa |grep -i net
>>> NetworkManager-wifi-1.0.12-2.fc23.x86_64
>>> NetworkManager-libnm-1.0.12-2.fc23.x86_64
>>> NetworkManager-1.0.12-2.fc23.x86_64
>>> NetworkManager-glib-1.0.12-2.fc23.x86_64
>>> glib-networking-2.46.1-1.fc23.x86_64
>>> libnetfilter_conntrack-1.0.4-5.fc23.x86_64
>>> nettle-3.2-1.fc23.x86_64
>>> netcf-libs-0.2.8-3.fc23.x86_64
>>> NetworkManager-team-1.0.12-2.fc23.x86_64
>>> libnfnetlink-1.0.1-7.fc23.x86_64
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires NetworkManager-wifi
>>> anaconda-gui-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires NetworkManager-libnm
>>> no package requires NetworkManager-libnm
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires NetworkManager-glib
>>> anaconda-core-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
>>> nm-connection-editor-1.0.10-1.fc23.x86_64
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires nm-connection-editor
>>> anaconda-gui-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires anaconda-core
>>> anaconda-tui-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
>>> anaconda-gui-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires anaconda-tui
>>> anaconda-core-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
>>> initial-setup-0.3.37-1.fc23.x86_64
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires initial-setup
>>> initial-setup-gui-0.3.37-1.fc23.x86_64
>>> initial-setup-gui-0.3.37-1.fc23.x86_64
>>> initial-setup-launcher-1.0-1.fc23.x86_64
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires initial-setup-gui
>>> no package requires initial-setup-gui
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires initial-setup-launcher
>>> no package requires initial-setup-launcher
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires NetworkManager-team
>>> anaconda-core-23.19.10-4.fc23.x86_64
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires nettle
>>> no package requires nettle
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires libnfnetlink
>>> no package requires libnfnetlink
>>> [olli@dom0 ~]$
>>>
>>> from above only netcf-libs is required indirectly by xen related
>>> package. So is it safe to drop all other from above w/ rpm -e ?
>>
>> Yes. You can start with 'dnf remove initial-setup-gui' - it will propose
>> additional packages not needed anymore. But carefully review that list
>> before confirming.

> Shouldn't those be removed by default as a postinstall step?

May I add this (and above sentence as subject) as a feature request in github?

We should not have non-required packages in Dom0 by default, right?

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[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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Yes, good idea.

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[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2017-03-03 04:15, Oleg Artemiev wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Oleg Artemiev
> <grey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
>> <marm...@invisiblethingslab.com> wrote:

>>> [...]

>>>>
>>>> from above only netcf-libs is required indirectly by xen
>>>> related package. So is it safe to drop all other from above
>>>> w/ rpm -e ?
>>>
>>> Yes. You can start with 'dnf remove initial-setup-gui' - it
>>> will propose additional packages not needed anymore. But
>>> carefully review that list before confirming.
>
>> Shouldn't those be removed by default as a postinstall step?
>
> May I add this (and above sentence as subject) as a feature
> request in github?
>

I waited a couple of days for this but didn't see anything submitted,
so I've created an issue for it:

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2670

Didn't mean to steal your thunder, but I was afraid it would end up
falling through the cracks (as so many important issues do).

> We should not have non-required packages in Dom0 by default,
> right?
>

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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org
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[Oleg Artemiev]

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Andrew David Wong <a...@qubes-os.org> wrote:
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>>>>> from above only netcf-libs is required indirectly by xen
>>>>> related package. So is it safe to drop all other from above
>>>>> w/ rpm -e ?
>>>>
>>>> Yes. You can start with 'dnf remove initial-setup-gui' - it
>>>> will propose additional packages not needed anymore. But
>>>> carefully review that list before confirming.
>>
>>> Shouldn't those be removed by default as a postinstall step?
>> May I add this (and above sentence as subject) as a feature
>> request in github?
> I waited a couple of days for this but didn't see anything submitted,
> so I've created an issue for it:
>
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2670
>
> Didn't mean to steal your thunder, but I was afraid it would end up
> falling through the cracks (as so many important issues do).

Thank you. :) I was quite busy a few days including weekends.
Also it was unclear for me into which repo I should report this (yes,
this is probably
documented in report bugs). %)

btw: i18n regression should be reported there too?

[Andrew David Wong]

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:)

> btw: i18n regression should be reported there too?
>

I'm not sure which regression you're referring to. Please post a
detailed comment on that issue if you think there's a relevant regression.

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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org
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