Delay of Qubes 4.0rc2

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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Hi all,

We're delaying Qubes 4.0rc2 few weeks (2-3), to complete polishing and
testing of PCI pass-through to HVM domains. Then switch sys-net and
sys-usb back to HVM - 4.0rc1 have them as PV[1].

In the meantime, all other changes are already in testing repository, so
you may simply update the system from there.

[1] https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/releases/4.0/release-notes/

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Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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[mirek.woj...@gmail.com]

Hi Marek,

Thanks for the info.

It would be useful to update the information on the site for regular users.

Regards.

[Dominique St-Pierre Boucher]

I was about to propose the same modification! 

[yura...@gmail.com]

 I would like to third that suggestion, it's a good for the community to be more welcoming and informative for the people who don't want to, or don't have time to dig into forums. It also serves as a way to hype Qubes a bit more in a positive way, or promote if you may. Don't get me wrong, I understand Qubes try to be modest as it is evident by your actions, which is to be applauded, it's a characteristic I like in others. However many times, Qubes comes across as being a bit too modest, or too silent for that matter. Essentially at times leaning over towards the other opposite extreme. A little bit more of hype or motivated community involvement wouldn't hurt, actually it might do Qubes quite some good to get some well deserved attention out there in the world. Considering what you guys archived, it's stunning that not more people are getting into Qubes yet. Perhaps this increased attention is unwanted? Although I don't think it is, but it sometimes does seem like Qubes just want to be left alone from any outside attention. Maybe I'm just overthinking it, though others might or might not come to the same conclusion.

Still, you guys are doing an amazing job! Also I have no problems with the delays either, I know a good job is being done.
What I feel is a bit lacking though is the lack of information, lack of Qubes community culture, involvement, etc. It fees like it needs more hype, Adrenalin if you may. But not over-hyped, rather a sort of realistic hype, staying natural, and not over-natural or under-natural.

Being proactive, rather than reactive, when it comes to the community.

Qubes is really amazing, so it's not the biggest issue in the world even though it may risk to come across as being written as such. But perhaps the bigger question is, are we allowed to bottom-up engage and build in the community ourselves without clear laid out community leadership and guidelines from the Qubes team? Otherwise finding someone who might be up for that job, or more, could perhaps be another solution. Of course only if you find it being an issue as well. I also have no idea if others see it the same way either.

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 12:34:24AM -0700, mirek.woj...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Marek,
>
> Thanks for the info.
> It would be useful to update the information on the site for regular users.

Yes, it is updated here:
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/releases/4.0/schedule/

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Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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[Sven Semmler]

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On 09/20/2017 01:25 PM, yura...@gmail.com wrote:
> Qubes comes across as being a bit too modest, or too silent for
> that matter. Essentially at times leaning over towards the other
> opposite extreme.

I don't speak for anybody other than myself. Just a user, not a Qubes
OS developer.

Yes, Qubes OS is awesome... but it's not ready for the masses.
Installing and customizing Qubes OS requires troubleshooting,
time/commitment and often compromise. The team seems well aware of it:

https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2017/07/08/toward-a-reasonably-secure-lapt
op/

Until adopting Qubes OS is a lot easier, it might be better to target
enthusiasts and people who have an urgent need (journalists, activists
etc) and are hence motivated to work through the initial roadblocks.

Until there are Level 0 (compatible) or maybe even Level 1 (certified)
laptops available.

One gets only one shot at making a first impression. If Qubes OS gets
hyped now, most people will try and give up. It will be hard then to
get them to try again.

/Sven

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[joev...@gmail.com]

Waited like a kid on Christmas Morning.  Stocking empty :(

No worries, your hard work is appreciated and you have my gratitude and my patience.

Is there anything in particular that is causing the delay?  A specific feature such as HVM PCI Passthrough or something with Xen?

Thanks.

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 02:33:29PM -0700, joev...@gmail.com wrote:
> Waited like a kid on Christmas Morning. Stocking empty :(
> No worries, your hard work is appreciated and you have my gratitude and my
> patience.
>
> Is there anything in particular that is causing the delay? A specific
> feature such as HVM PCI Passthrough or something with Xen?

This issue:
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3173

Will be in a week...

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Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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