Tax exempt?

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Derek Clews

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Jan 24, 2020, 3:37:57 AM1/24/20
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Hi All,

I understand that after a rolling 40 years your car is classic tax exempt. In the next few years are any of our Quantums falling into that category? I realised one of my Q’s is registered as 1986. Must be the original donor date……….. but that’s what is on the document. Does anyone know what happens about Q plate cars do they also get the tax exempt?

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Derek

Darren Siepka

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Jan 24, 2020, 4:06:44 AM1/24/20
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Hi, yes my 2+2 has already gone over her 40. 
She was a pre sva build on an s plate
There are no notes on the v5 showing when it was converted to a Quantum.
The area around q reg is very confusing , with some saying they have and some not.
Darren


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Derek Clews

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Jan 24, 2020, 7:32:09 AM1/24/20
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Hi Daren,

Thanks for the info.  That would seems to indicate it is the reg doc date.

My Q 2+2 which I built was SVA’ed and given a first registered 2001 as a Quantum but age related plate due to donor parts qualifying as 1989.  So which age is zero tax reference?  

Were the older Q’ss even pre SVA?  I know there was some issue about a few kit cars that were not registered correctly as the Kit type they became.  But my Coupe certainly is registered as a Quantum, but just 1986 still.  My Son’s Coupe is a Q plate, but registered to donor date.  So many combinations.  If the reference is the plate a Q can never be tax free as there is not associated age, but the 2+2 is only 9 years away from tax free.  If it is the reg doc date new ball game and Q’s can be tax exempt.  

Derek 

Jim Hearne

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Jan 24, 2020, 7:40:39 AM1/24/20
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I would say most Quantum’s are pre-SVA
My 2+2 is probably the closed pre-SVA, i took the paperwork down to the local VRO office the evening of the very last day before the SVA came into force in 1998
My 2+2 is a B reg, not the donor reg but another allocated one. It has 2 dates on the registration, 1985 (donor age) and 1998 (registration date).
 
The trouble was all the different VRO offices had different interpretations of the rules. 
Mine let me have the chassis number as Q2-099 but i know many other VRO said it had to be a minimum length.
I was also allowed to have my chassis plate screwed on, other VRO insisted the chassis number was stamped into the spaceframe.
 
A lot of older kit cars were still registered as the donor car, for quite a while you could get it corrected by the DVLA without a problem but nowadays it’s a lot of hassle.
 
Jim
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Jim Hearne

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Jan 24, 2020, 7:41:54 AM1/24/20
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>I would say most Quantum’s are pre-SVA
 
Except for the Xtreme’s
 
Jim

Derek Clews

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Jan 24, 2020, 7:51:10 AM1/24/20
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Cheers Jim,

Good point.  I have forgotten it was as late as 1998 SVA came in.  Both kits I built myself were early 2000’s and SVA’ed.  My Coupe (which I did not build) has a single 1986 age.  On the tax free issue, you get road tax online. And you have to apply for it as usual but pay nothing.  So I sort of assume that if the reg date is 40 year or more ago you pay nothing with no human intervention?  

Interestingly my chassis number is a long format one but I was allowed to rivet a pre-stamped plate on the 2+2 frame and another on the fibreglass body.  That was Aberdeen in 2001.  My Blackjack Avion number came moulded into the fibreglass body tub.  That was 2004.

Derek


Darren Siepka

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Jan 24, 2020, 8:06:32 AM1/24/20
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To change the log book you need to apply for tax in the post office.
Complete section 7 tax class, change to historic.
They will give you your free tax disc and send off the logbook to be changed.

All three of my quantum only have a single date of registration.all are correctly registered as the appropriate quantum type.
On one there is a note on front page in sect3 special notes: states 1.kit built converted- assembled from parts all of which may not be new.

There are no other notes or comments.
My saloon is dated 85 , one 2-2 86 and one is 78.
I don't know about the other two but the 78 2-2 I built and kept its doner reg in full
They all only have simple rivet on plates that old q used to issue.

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Derek Clews

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Jan 24, 2020, 9:52:30 AM1/24/20
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Interesting.  So the Logbook needs to read historic?  I wondered if that had changed as we don’t do tax discs anymore and the whole taxing process is more automated online.  

Showing my ignorance here but what donor is the 1978 car?  That would be Fiesta Mk1?  

They certainly have changed the reg system over the years, then.  

ATB

Derek


Jim Hearne

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Jan 24, 2020, 9:58:33 AM1/24/20
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The saloons started off being Mk1 Fiesta based but i don’t think there were many 2+2 based on a Mk1 Fiesta.
The 2+2 as far as i know was intended to be Mk2 Fiesta based but because the Mk2 Fiesta was quite similar to the Mk1 it was possible to use Mk1 parts on a 2+2 with a few exceptions (Front strut top mounts).

kynastonp .

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Jan 24, 2020, 9:58:48 AM1/24/20
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Pre 1983 is MK1 fiesta
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Darren Siepka

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Jan 24, 2020, 1:19:12 PM1/24/20
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Yes it was a MK1 , as Jim said I had to mod the strut tops , retaining the original struts though(some spacers iirc were needed) , but the rear axle was MK1( albeit with disc brakes)
The car ran a 5speed and hubs from a mk2 fitted after the 1700crossflow kept busting splines.

susanandmartin

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Jan 24, 2020, 1:39:09 PM1/24/20
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My Rickman is registered (correctly) as a Rickman Ranger with the date of 1976 (as per donor vehicle) – I had to do the paperwork to change it to Historic Vehicle, which ISTR I did in the Post Office, who sent it to DVLA. The V5 came back as Historic Vehicle, and saves the VED cost each year, allowing the money to be spent on improving the vehicle. I’ve not gone the route of ‘no MOT’ and probably won’t, although one advantage highlighted is that this facility ‘offers’ the luxury of being able to fix a vehicle without needing to get the MOT done by a specific date . There is of course the caveat that any vehicle on the road has to be roadworthy irrespective of MOT.

Martin

 

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Yes it was a MK1 , as Jim said I had to mod the strut tops , retaining the original struts though(some spacers iirc were needed) , but the rear axle was MK1( albeit with disc brakes)

The car ran a 5speed and hubs from a mk2 fitted after the 1700crossflow kept busting splines.

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