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The bushes are showing their age but not yet scrap. So I'd be interested in replacing the whole lot if that is possible.A vain hope I suspect, but worth a shot.ThanksIncidentally the hoses in my H4 were pretty poor and some bodged. A full correct correct set was no longer available, one of the most complex shapes being essentially custom. I had that one properly sorted so the moulds now exist for it which makes it possible to source a complete set if anyone is interested.
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----- Original Message -----From:"Jim Hearne" <j...@quantums.info>To:"Julian Coleman" <jul...@cityaudioservices.com>Cc:Sent:Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:38:55 +0100
Subject:Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses
100% Not a Ford part and i'm pretty sure it wasn't a Quantum part either.
With the correct Zetec mountings there is no need for a strut there.
Jim
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Julian,
I've not seen an upper engine mount like yours on a Zetec before. You mentioned that offside you have 2 mounts and I'm assuming these are in the locations per Jim's earlier image. These are the standard locations for engine mounts on the Zetec and the H4 chassis came with bolt holes for the front mount, which was only used on the Zetec engine. The CVH engine only uses the mount on the offside suspension turret, where the Zetec uses that, plus the bolt in mount at the front.
The only other engine mounts are those under the gearbox, connected to the cradle. These are fitted to the front and rear sections of the cradle that bend up from the horizontal.
I would expect that if the other engine mounts are in decent condition that broken mount would not be needed, unless the engine/crank was unbalanced and generated too much vibration. However I suspect this might have been added as a belt and braces approach to prevent the engine torque creating too much movement under acceleration. I suspect that even high power engines, such as those in Jim's 2+2 (even though it's a hybrid ZVH) or Bob Craig's Zetec turbo could control the torque with good engine mounts in the Ford standard locations.
If changing the gearbox mounts it was always rumoured that the
diesel mounts were stiffer/stronger. I'm not sure if that is
true, but I did fit these to my CVH turbo powered H4 and didn't
suffer engine movement issues.
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Russ,
Any photos of the Duratec badged engine as I'm interested to know if this is a Ford/Mazda Duratec of just one of the Zetec's badged up as a Duratec. The Duratec is quite different from a Zetec and I've not hear of one fitted to a Saloon before.
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Steve
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Julian,
I've not seen an upper engine mount like yours on a Zetec before. You mentioned that offside you have 2 mounts and I'm assuming these are in the locations per Jim's earlier image. These are the standard locations for engine mounts on the Zetec and the H4 chassis came with bolt holes for the front mount, which was only used on the Zetec engine. The CVH engine only uses the mount on the offside suspension turret, where the Zetec uses that, plus the bolt in mount at the front.
The only other engine mounts are those under the gearbox, connected to the cradle. These are fitted to the front and rear sections of the cradle that bend up from the horizontal.
I would expect that if the other engine mounts are in decent condition that broken mount would not be needed, unless the engine/crank was unbalanced and generated too much vibration. However I suspect this might have been added as a belt and braces approach to prevent the engine torque creating too much movement under acceleration. I suspect that even high power engines, such as those in Jim's 2+2 (even though it's a hybrid ZVH) or Bob Craig's Zetec turbo could control the torque with good engine mounts in the Ford standard locations.
If changing the gearbox mounts it was always rumoured that the diesel mounts
were stiffer/stronger. I'm not sure if that is true, but I did fit these
to my CVH turbo powered H4 and didn't suffer engine movement issues.
Regards,
Steve
HiI've just checked out the engine bay and there are two mounts on the offside. The rear one is pretty hard to see but I can see the support coming up to meet a bracket which I assume is bolted to the block. The front one is very easy to see and is in very good condition. The gearbox housing has two, one at the very front, the other at the rear, both very substantial and well bolted down. I know the rubbers are good because I had them checked - there is an optical illusion in the H4 which makes it look as though the engine is not level as though it had sunk at the gearbox end. It was checked, and it is level with no sign of softness in the mounts.However someone has felt it necessary at some time to tie the engine down tighter and the work looks good aside from the misalignment.Given all the mounts are present and apparently correct, I assume it's perfectly safe to remove the offending item and see how it all behaves. If it jerks, I can rebuild the strut and remove the offset. I wonder though if a shock absorber there might be more useful, but that would not stop the kind of movement that might stress the exhaust for example.Thanks for the help so far, further advice appreciated.Regards
Julian Coleman
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Cc:Sent:Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:38:55 +0100
Subject:Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses
100% Not a Ford part and i'm pretty sure it wasn't a Quantum part either.
With the correct Zetec mountings there is no need for a strut there.
Jim
On 22/07/2019 18:25, Julian Coleman wrote:
HiThe offending item is the strut shown here between the brake fluid reservoir and the inlet manifold, it's attached to the engine and the brace bar between the suspension turrets. (This is before it broke.) If you have one I'm interested.Looking at the welds and the paint, I suspect this is a Quantum part, the fixings do not look like an aftermarket bodge. But having said that, it might have been one that was well doneRegards
Julian Coleman
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Subject:Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses
On the attached picture, the green circle is the front Zetec engine mount and the yellow circle is the bracket where the rear top engine mount bolts to.Aside from these 2 the only other mounts on the Zetec are under the gearbox.I’d guess you may be missing the front mount and somebody has added the tie bar at the rear to try and compensate.JimFrom: Julian ColemanSent: Monday, July 22, 2019 2:30 PMSubject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses
HiIf you could send me photos and dimensions I may very well be interested. The engine in mine is a 2L silver top zetec. The mounting is from the inlet side roughly in the middle of the car (L/R) and it runs from the mount on the engine back to the stiffener bar which runs between the tops of the suspension turrets. I do plan to go out and measure it up later today but from memory it is about 150 - 200mm long with short tubes at each end, the tubes being about 40-50mm long and about 30 ish mm diameter.Take that with a pinch of salt! But if it's anything similar it's worth seeing if it's a match. It would make sense if it was an original part, but who knows.I've got enough on my hands, never mind nowhere to put it, to be able to consider taking on a second car or indeed keeping a donor. But I wish you well either sorting it or passing it on. They are fun for sure.Regards
Julian Coleman
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The Saloon engine bays are a lot tighter than the H4, so less
engine movement is definitely needed. I'd certainly be happy to
run an H4 with a Zetec just using the 4 standard Ford engine
mounting locations. As Jim mentioned, any issues should be
resolved rather than just restricting the engine movement to mask
them.
Regards,
Steve
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