whateverhappenedto ragnard/shen-truffle

[Raoul Duke]

https://github.com/ragnard/shen-truffle

[Raoul Duke]

& how many ports are unmaintained?

https://github.com/Shen-Language/shen-cl

On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 21:01 Raoul Duke <rao...@gmail.com> wrote:

https://github.com/ragnard/shen-truffle

[dr.mt...@gmail.com]

I would say that the only really up to date ports are SBCL and Scheme

though Go was updated to S standard some years ago.  Many of the ports

are stuck in pre-S configuration.   It was sort of inevitable, that in an OS project

manned by volunteers, that a language like Shen, spread uniquely across 

many platforms, would end up with obsolescent unmaintained ports.  As

I said in my essay (Forks and Abandonware section), this is a problem with

OS projects.

BUT there is a big but - it might not matter.   You see Yggdrasil is designed

to operate with all platforms but only needs one to run.   Confusing?  Read

what I have to say on this page. 

Today I'm picking up coding Yggdrasil in a stripped down type secure version.

This is the first code I've written in a time.

So if  Yggdrasil works as planned, the work doen on these ports will not be wasted. 

Mark

[Raoul Duke]

Yggdrasil sounds very interesting, thank you for continuing to push Shen ever forward. 

[dr.mt...@gmail.com]

If Yggdrasil works as I planned the most obsolescent port will become alive.

As long as the porter has coded in Shen the backend translating KL to Blub

then we can leverage his port.  Since KL has remained largely invariant through

the evolution of Shen since 2013, we should be good to go.

How easy it would be for a non-Blub programmer to do this I don't know.

M.

[Reuben]

@Rauol -- i have a fork of shen-cl that i've update to the 41.1 kernel https://github.com/pyrex41/shen-cl. Would it be worth open a PR to merge back upstream?

[Bruno Deferrari]

Hey Reuben, please do and I will take a look.

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[Reuben]

Is there an updated link for Ygggdrasil? The link to download in the page above returns a 404.

Though I was able to find it at the wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20240430183437/https://www.shenlanguage.org/Download/Yggdrasil.zip

[dr.mt...@gmail.com]

It's a tricky program.  I never really finished it properly and pulled it off the web.

I didn't want people downloading it and saying it did not work.  The best part is 

the iterative implementation of Warshall's algorithm for computing

transitive closure.

Based on Dr. Taver's description and code release of Yggdrasil, I put together an alternative implementation of the tree-shaking concept. See https://github.com/pyrex41/ratatoskr

This implementation targets shen-cl, shen-lua, shen-go, shen-rust, or ShenScript. I have also updated ShenScript to the latest 41.2 kernel, and added support for Deno+Bun: https://github.com/pyrex41/ShenScript. Happy to open PR against upstream but it has some significant changes to consider (issue here). The other ports have also been updated from 41.1 to 41.2.

That's cool.  No reason why this group shouldn't take over Yggdrasil.  It cannot meaningfully be 

supported by one person.   I'll look at this again.

M.