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Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso

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Nov 6, 2019, 9:49:39 PM11/6/19
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Hello all,

Just for know.
When I make an automation after put the mode in write, I need quickly turn down completely the volume after press the play button and after make the necessary curve.
If I did not do it, and for example put the volume in 0 db, before press play.. after end the automation, the track continues in volume minus infinite.
Why? Is there a way that after automation the track continues in the same level after end the automation?
Slau talk about trim automation that is availabe in ultimate. How it works∑

Slau Halatyn

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Nov 13, 2019, 10:40:50 AM11/13/19
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Replying here on the PTAccess list because that's where public questions belong. My reply follows below the question.
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From: Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso <jpcu...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Automation question.
Date: November 12, 2019 at 11:34:55 PM EST
To: Slau Halatyn <sl...@besharpstudios.com>

Hi, slau, but if I want to make some different. A track that is already playing and there is an other track that I want that begin at minus inf and ends at -3 db  and continues at -3db after automation ends?

Thanks again,
JP.

Hi Juan,
The thing to remember is that Pro Tools Ultimate can do this simply but Pro Tools Vanilla has no way of doing this simply. What you need to remember is, once you've written automation, that's the level that the parameter will return to whenever you stop recording. So, if you wish to end up at minus 3 dB, that's where you start right at the top with minus 3 dB in write mode. Then start again from the top at minus infinity and raise your level to minus 3 dB  and the track should then remain at minus 3 dB for the rest of the timeline.

A guaranteed way of getting this result is to let the track play for its entire duration while in write mode while you make your level adjustments.

Again, this is very straight-forward with PT Ultimate. If you do a lot of automation all the time and you're using Pro Tools on a daily basis, consider upgrading to Ultimate. It's expensive at first but it pays off over the long run the more you use it.
Slau


On Nov 12, 2019, at 3:23 PM, Slau Halatyn <sl...@besharpstudios.com> wrote:

Hi Juan,
Pro Tools Ultimate allows for simple execution of what you're trying to do. Without Ultimate, you have to follow these steps:
1. If you want the remaining part of the track to be at minus infinity, you need to start there while in write mode. Set your fader all the way down.
2. In write mode, press play for a little bit and press stop.
3. Go to the exact place where you want the track to be at 0 dB and set your fader to 0 dB and make sure you're in Write mode again.
4. Start playback and lower the fader until it's all the way down then press stop.

Your track will now stay down at infinite resistance.
Hope that helps,
Slau

Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso

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Nov 13, 2019, 2:44:38 PM11/13/19
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Absolutely amazing, slau.
And for panning? I tried some pan automation and for example, if the start point is 70 left 30 right and I go to 30 left and 70 right, after press the stop button and play the track, the automation looks fine but after the end of the automation the track returns to the begining point. How to solve this and the track continues in 30 left 70 right?
I linked the paner

Thanks,
Juan.
I upgraded to ultimate
 and I want to use it at 100% in post production capabilities
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Slau Halatyn

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Nov 13, 2019, 4:10:29 PM11/13/19
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For controls like panning, where you want the value to remain the same, use Latch mode. In other words, if you start from one set of values and change while in Latch mode, the subsequent automation data will stay at the last recorded value. This theoretically works with faders as well but some people have had limited success doing it with faders. Pan automation should work fine.

Now, you say you've upgraded to Ultimate? If you have, then the automation process will be infinitely easier. Let me know when you have it installed.
Slau


Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso

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Nov 13, 2019, 4:11:50 PM11/13/19
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Thanks, slau, I just installed it.


Slau Halatyn

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Nov 13, 2019, 8:01:10 PM11/13/19
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Well, good for you! OK, now when you go to the Automation window, you'll see buttons for writing to the start, end or entire length of the session from beginning to end. With an Avid control surface, there are dedicated buttons for these functions. Anyway, you'll have a much easier time with Ultimate.
Slau



Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso

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Nov 14, 2019, 6:06:30 PM11/14/19
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Hi, Slau, how give me a tips how automation works in ultimate∑ I am very confused in the automation window.
Thanks,
JP.

Slau Halatyn

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Nov 14, 2019, 8:12:50 PM11/14/19
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Sorry Juan, Automation is complex and you'll need to be very specific with your question. I can't write about all aspects of automation. Give me details of specific issues.
Slau


Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso

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Nov 14, 2019, 8:29:25 PM11/14/19
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Sure, Slau.

I am reffering specifically to automate in protools ultimate.
I am in the automation window, and for example, I select 10 seconds
How can i automate this 10 seconds∑
When I press the button
Write Automation to Selection Start, for example, I get the message: No automation was written.
The same happens in Write Automation to Selection
If I press the button
Write Automation to Selection on Stop
It`s becomes selected, i press the play button, move the fader and when i return to the button
Write Automation to Selection
I got the same message


Other question is?
Even putting the mode in latch, in volume or pan automation, when press stop and go back to read, the last parameter when i left the fader is not remembered in volume or pan.

I reed the protools reference guide, tried to get som youtube tutorials but i did not advance too much.

Thanks again for your help and patience.
JP.

Slau Halatyn

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Nov 14, 2019, 11:21:06 PM11/14/19
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Of course I understand that you're asking about automation in Pro Tools Ultimate. Your questions are specific in a way but they are quite general at the same time. I'll need to respond in the morning because I'm going to end up typing quite a bit.
Slau


Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso

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Nov 15, 2019, 10:43:01 AM11/15/19
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Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso

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Nov 15, 2019, 10:43:02 AM11/15/19
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Slau, here is an example of panning automation I put in latch mode but the parameter is not saved.

Is a 59 seconds recording. can you check that? and tell me what is wrong?

Thanks,
Juan.

Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso

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Nov 15, 2019, 10:55:20 AM11/15/19
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Thank you so much, slau.

JP.

Slau Halatyn

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Nov 15, 2019, 11:03:37 AM11/15/19
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Juan,
There could be any number of reasons your panning isn't sticking to the right side. I'd suggest the following:
1. Set your track view to pan.
2. Select everything from beginning of the session to the end with Option Shift Return and press Delete.
3. Confirm that your audio is still there.
4. Put your track into Auto Latch mode and, with your pan at center, engage the transport and pan to the left.

When you stop the transport, your track should remain panned to the right.

Another approach you can take is to do this in Auto Write mode and, once you've panned to the right, press the Write to End button in the Automation window. You'll get a dialog informing you that automation has been written to the end of the timeline.

Further, it appeared that you had Trim mode checked before engaging the transport. Don't use Trim mode in this case. Make sure it's unchecked. Trim mode is meant to make relative changes to already recorded automation data.

Let me know if this process works for you.

Slau


Slau Halatyn

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Nov 15, 2019, 11:05:16 AM11/15/19
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I'll see if I can record some type of demonstration of automation modes.
Slau


Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso

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Nov 15, 2019, 12:31:29 PM11/15/19
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Slau, i had success!
I selected a portion of 20 seconds of a clip, automated pan from left to center by the first 3 seconds, and in the automation window y pressed the button 
 Write Automation to Selection End on Stop
So after the second 20 the sound as I expected, it returns to the left.
So now I need to check if in the Eucon app, there is already an option to atach to a key in my  avid transport to this three buttons.

Thanks,
JP.

Slau Halatyn

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Nov 15, 2019, 1:03:58 PM11/15/19
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Glad to hear you've had some success. Keep in mind that the Write To start, Write to All and Write To End commands are normally meant for when you do not have a selection. There are specific times when you absolutely would use those commands in conjunction with a selection. But, when automating 20 seconds or so, it doesn't necessarily make sense to use those features since it's perfectly reasonable to have the transport play for 20 seconds.

An instance where you'd use the Write to All is if you're trying to establish the overall level of a track for an entire timeline. You can get into Auto write mode, engage the transport, set the level and, when you're happy with it, press the write to All button. Then you will have the current automation fader level set across your entire timeline. From there, you can make further adjustments.

Let's say you wanted to then raise the volume at bar 30 and keep it raised until the end of the timeline, you can once again go into Auto write, make the adjustment and use Write to End to keep the fader level a bit higher until the end.

Let's say you wanted to once again lower the level but only from bar 60 until 4 bars before the end of the song. You can make a selection between bar 60 and 4 bars before the end of the song. Now with a longer selection that you don't need to play in its entirety, you can set the new level and then press Write to All. This will write the new level to the selected range.

Keep in mind that all of the Write to commands are meant to be executed while the transport is engaged.

Slau


CHUCK REICHEL

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Nov 15, 2019, 1:28:01 PM11/15/19
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Hi Juan,

I highly recommend this Pro tools automation tutorial to every one using pro tools.
Pro Tools Automation Secrets Pro Tools HD Automation Secrets by Michael Costa
You can find out about it here;
This totally opened up my understanding  years ago for all the automation tasks you'll need in pro tools
HTH
Chuck
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John Covici

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Nov 15, 2019, 3:19:05 PM11/15/19
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That is an Email address, do I have to write to him to get the
tutorial?

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CHUCK REICHEL

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Nov 15, 2019, 4:27:48 PM11/15/19
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Hi John,
Yeah you could email or;
Groove 3 Inc. CALL US:  1-800-460-7509 
I think I paid $30.00 or so but by now its probably 5 or 10 bucks.
They have a mp3 version due to my persistence years ago, the PT version is  older but still valid! :)
Oh yeah they know what VoiceOver is! ;)
Its worth hundreds in the time saved! :)
YMMV
Chuck

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Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso

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Nov 15, 2019, 5:19:07 PM11/15/19
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Thanks!!

Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso

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Nov 15, 2019, 5:19:46 PM11/15/19
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Thanks, Slau. I will practice and tell how I am doing.

Would be nice if you can record something.

thanks,
JP.

John Covici

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Nov 15, 2019, 5:23:41 PM11/15/19
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Thanks, I will check this out.

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Martin (Punky) Sopart

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Nov 17, 2019, 11:49:38 AM11/17/19
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Hello Chuch and all!

I contacted Groove3 and asked for the tutorial.
They are only selling memberships or lifetime video downloads.
No mp3.
The tutorial video "Pro Tools Automation Secrets Pro Tools HD Automation Secrets by Michael Costa” is about 750 $.

So things have changed I think.

Best! / Martin


CHUCK REICHEL

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Nov 17, 2019, 12:42:37 PM11/17/19
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Hi Martin,

Thats very interesting.
I haven't talked to them in a while though.
Did you call them?
I thought I saw on there site that you could still buy the tutorials but may be I miss read that.
BTW
That automation secrets is worth more Than #$75.00.
If it saves your "bacon" just once its paid for.
Talk soon
Chuck

Martin (Punky) Sopart

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Nov 17, 2019, 12:46:38 PM11/17/19
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Hello Chuck!

I contacted them via e/mail.

$75 would be perfect, but the lifetime download is $750.

Best! / Martin

Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso

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Nov 22, 2019, 7:45:34 PM11/22/19
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Same here, i received the same answer and the lifetime download is 750 dollars.


Slau Halatyn

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Nov 23, 2019, 10:56:43 AM11/23/19
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You can subscribe to Groove 3 on a yearly basis and cancel any time. I think the yearly price is something like $100 or so. Anyone can subscribe for a given amount of time, even a month, and determine whether it's worth it.


Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso

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Nov 23, 2019, 4:38:45 PM11/23/19
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Hello all!

Well, there is a VoiceOver confusion. The price of the tutorial download lifetime is not 750 dollars, or even 75. The price is 7.50. I just purchased it right now.


CHUCK REICHEL

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Nov 23, 2019, 6:02:22 PM11/23/19
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Hi Juan,
Thats cool.
They also have a mp3 version ask about that. :)
Chuck


Martin (Punky) Sopart

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Nov 24, 2019, 8:09:34 AM11/24/19
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Hello Juan!

Thanks for that.

Best! / Martin

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