object vs relational db

[Raoul Duke]

object graphs of references tangled makes for heck on earth for a programmer sooner or later, no?

should everything be fundamentally First Order Normal Form to keep us sane, damn the perf?

[David Barbour]

Objects are more about dynamism and late-binding than about performance. 

We could favor staged metaprogramming for dynamism, and model applications as metaprograms that abstract over primitive data types and effects. This would give us performance and a simpler model to grok at the cost of runtime dynamism.

[Raoul Duke]

by perf i meant FONF could be slow because joins are heck, more than implying objs are fast (ha ha). 

i think ending up with a graph is kind of deadly. we should be doing everything we can to avoid / minimize having graphs of references. and the graphs should be better wrangled through better everything: paradigms, formats, languages, tooling, ...

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