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[ALIPIO, JR. Bacalso]

Why can't I access the proceedings?

[linda hornilla]

After registration, a link was sent to you. Use that link. Good luck. 

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On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 7:48 PM, ALIPIO, JR. Bacalso

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Why can't I access the proceedings?

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[ALIPIO, JR. Bacalso]

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[patrick jerome guasa]

to those who promoted and attended the virtual national convention, and voted in the electronic elections, please explain this:

instructions stated that voting will be open from 11/10/22 6:30pm to 11/12/22 4:00pm.

Voters were instructed to choose 11 out of 11 nominees.

By 6:50pm of 11/10/22 election results were already available. 7 were elected.

This means that the election committee:

a) changed the rules while the election was taking place OR

b) the election committee does not know how to make instructions or

c) please post an explanation here.

Thanks!

P.S. images shared by other EnPs are attached to this email.

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[Linda Hornilla]

Dear Patrick,

There appears to be some misinformation here. This is the list of candidates and the list may have been cropped. 

The results of the election WILL be announced by the Comelec. So far there is none. Not what you make it appear here.

Do not make use of your being a techie to distort information. Please be careful. 

EnP Linda Malenab-Hornilla 

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[DELIA JOSEF]

Dear Patrick and every EnP in this 'yahoogroups thread':

I am a COMELEC member in this 2022 PIEP Election of the PRC recognized "Status Quo" PIEP Board. 

I agree with Atty. Hornilla that there is total misinformation in your email.

There were 27 nominees and  12 accepted the nominations. We posted the profiles of all 12 official candidates in PIEP FB Page for information of EnP members. 

Yesterday,  before the "Candidates Forum" we received the official  withdrawal of one candidate leaving eleven candidates.

1) We NEVER  changed the rules. Voting started 6:30 pm yesterday 20 Nov 2022 and will end 12 noon tomorrow, 12 Nov 2022.

2) Elections are still on-going and as of 9:44 pm last night we just canvassed 13%.

3) No announcements of winners to date.

Please get your facts straight and don't create aspersions on the integrity of our COMELEC members and the on-going election process.

Sincerely,

EnP Delia Josef, fpiep

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[Linda Hornilla]

Hi Del,

Thank you for the clarification. I was alarmed that this Patrick can post online such misinformation. 

Can we post your clarification again, because their administrator of their Google account may block posting of your email.

Thank you. 

Linda

[DELIA JOSEF]

Atty Linda,

Yes, please post again to reach more members. Thank you.

 

Del J

[DELIA JOSEF]

Erratum:  ... yesterday, 10 Nov NOT 20 Nov ... 

1) We NEVER changed the rules. Voting started 6:30 pm yesterday 10 Nov 2022 and will end 12 noon tomorrow, 12 Nov 2022.

[patrick jerome guasa]

I am just posting what can be seen. 

good that you brought out that "status quo" letter of PRC. 

Read PRCs mandate and the provisions for APO  suspension or disqualification listed in that status quo letter. It is written in plain english. Which letter in that list will be used to suspend or disqualify PIEP?

IF indeed you are for the status quo, why did a removed president have to resign?

can a fired employee resign from a job after being fired? 

please allow me to grasp on the few shreds of respect i have for both of you!

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[linda hornilla]

I am afraid what you posted is not accurate. And do not change the subject because that is not the issue here. 

The matter of the intra corp issue is already with the Court. 

Read in the ByLaws the matter of election and suspension or removal of any officer. 

There are laws  that have to be followed. 

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[patrick jerome guasa]

and if there indeed was an error in that post of election results, where is the retraction or statement from the election committee stating the error?

PLEASE POST so I can be share it.

[patrick jerome guasa]

Ma'am Linda, please educate me. Which part of the by laws regulate the removal of officers?

the Philippines Corporation Code allows corporate boards to remove corporate officers any time for no reason.

and please inform me, which judge is hearing the filed complaint?

the complaint was submitted to the court in the 1st week of October 2022. did that complaint bypass the prosecutor?

why?

[Linda Hornilla]

Patrick, 

A little learning is a dangerous thing. 

The Corporation Code does not hold sway over the Corp ByLaws. It is the Articles of Incorporation and the ByLaws that govern the corporation. The Code is suppletory or supplementary to the ByLaws and Articles.  

Also, there is no need to go through a prosecutor because the case filed is not criminal but civil in nature. (Hahahaha.)

Sorry, could not help it.

I did not file the case so I do not know where it was filed. 

I hope these answer your questions. 

EnP Linda 

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[Linda Hornilla]

Patrick,

Why should there be an admission of error where there is none? You posted a cropped photo from a person you did not even name. And your statements were all  inaccurate or down right not true. I know you followed the proceedings or these were reported to you. That you should make these statements, I find that malicious. Are you trying to destroy the reputation of the COMELEC of this organization?

EnP Linda 

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[Conrad Sontillano]

:)

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[Linda Hornilla]

And, Patrick, I dare you to share our exchanges here with your group. 

[Rachel Guimbatan-Fadgyas]

Dear EnP Linda,

I just want to thank you for stepping in yesterday to shed light on this conflict issue. We needed and need that gravitas to move forward. I tried to be open and did my own research but the actions of some gave themselves away.  The young are arrogant in their ignorance. 

We need heroes for the organization. 

EnP Rachel

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[Linda Hornilla]

Hi Patrick, again,

I have to answer your questions regarding the "status quo". And your questions even if they are infirm in their premise. 

1. Status quo has nothing to do with disqualification of an APO. The letter of PRC only directed the APO, which is PIEP, to maintain its status as if there was no " reorganization" that took place. I enclosed the word reorg in quotes to show that that process does not exist in the Articles of Organization nor in the ByLaws. Because of this, we had to go by way of succession. Thus, the VP takes over the vacated position of the Pres. 

2. So you see, when there is a vacancy, the way to go is look at the Articles of Incorporation and the ByLaws for guidance. 

3. Your next query is if a fired employee could resign after he is fired. Again, the premise of your question is misplaced. There is no employee here, and there could be no one who could fire an officer. Our ByLaws are clear on the matter. There should be a finding of culpability after due process. 

Now as to whether a fired employee could resign after being fired, the answer is yes. Why? Because firing an employee is not easy. You have to formally fire the employee. The correct term is termination.  And there should be reasons for doing that.  If you are talking about movie scenes, this is done for cinematic effects. 

For the record, please do not patronize me. I am a veteran of government service and litigation. What little respect you have left for me, keep it for yourself. 

That way you do not need to grasp anything. As it is, you may need it more. As I said to you when you were ranting about this organization you chose to be affiliated with, what have you done? 

I hope I have cleared some of your issues. Thank you for your patience. 

EnP Linda L. Malenab-Hornilla

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[Linda Hornilla]

Dear Rachel,

There are many dis and mis information being thrown around. One should not join the not seeing, not hearing, not speaking species . Truth should be told, by whatever means. And us, your elders (I did not say old) should show the way.

You are right. Some do become arrogant in their ignorance.

Thank you for your kind words. 

EnP Linda

Lic. No. 000148

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[Conchita Ragragio]

Deadly combination: ignorance + arrogance. 

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[ely ouano]

Dear All,

 

I have said my goodbye to PIEP but I forgot to blocked PIEP from my email. I studied for my master and PhD in law is from a foreign university out of boredom and curiosity. I have very rudimentary knowledge of Philippine laws and procedures.  Out of curiosity, I would humbly inquire what makes Philippine legal system different from other countries.

 

As a general rule, the laws passed by congress and signed by the executive as long as it is constitutional governs and rules over the written and unwritten interactions of men and its organizations. I hope somebody could clarify why in the Philippines the Corporation Code that I presumed is a law passed by congress of the Philippines and signed into force by the President of the Philippines is a mere supplementary to the Articles of Incorporation and by laws of an organization. From what I have studied, the Articles of Incorporation and the by laws as well as any amendment and the operation of the organization has to conform to the Corporation Code. In other words the Corporation Code rules over the AOI, By laws  and any resolution the Board or General Assembly does.

 

Pardon my ignorance of the Philippine laws and practices.

 

Ely

 

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[Lilia Casanova]

Pls send your letter to the Integrated Bar of the Philippines. Not to PIEP. PIEP is not an association of lawyers. Only dummies think Planners are lawyers.

Lilia

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[Rodrigo Mallonga]

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[linda hornilla]

Dear Ely,

I suggest you read the jurisprudence in the Philippines, as well as the law. Alas, my professor in Corporation Law, SC Justice Jose C. Campos, Jr. Is long deceased. But you can still buy his book co-authored with his wife, Prof. Maria Clara E. Campos. Very instructive.

Linda

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[linda hornilla]

Erratum "catalogued"

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[patrick jerome guasa]

Hi Ma'am Linda Hornilla, Ma'am Conchita Ragragio and Sir Armando Alli and even those who have something to say.

I sent 2 comments coming from 2 different PIEP related group chats more than 3 hours ago. Until now I still have to receive a reply from any of you.

I am expecting an educated reply. Not an ad hominem rejoinder.

I am asking you here because you were very quick to respond to my email even when it was still before 4am, as time stamped by google. 

I will be expecting a reply from any of you in the discussion thread I started.

If you will reply here, I have no problem with that. FYI - ANY [including ad hominem replies] reply from any of you will be shared at the group chats where the comments were made.

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[Linda Hornilla]

Mr. Guasa, 

I am not obliged to answer you. And if ever I do, I assure you it is a more educated reply than what you can muster. 

Those comments did not come from you. The answers should be directed to those who made them. And, you were not part of that conversation during the conference. So you do not deserve any reply. 

Do You know why my emails are at 4 AM? Guess. 

EnP Hornilla

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[patrick jerome guasa]

I already posted your reply to the group chats and the fb page where the comments came from.

Please expect emails from those concerned. You have been stonewalling EnPs who got their licenses  by passing a govt exam long after you were given yours.

That is not reason for stonewalling any of us. As our elders in the profession, WE EXPECTED BETTER FROM ALL OF YOU!

Thing is - You miserably BOTCHED the chance of gaining our respect!

So you either just keep quiet or answer our legitimate observations!

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[EnP. Armando ALLI]

Dear EnP Guasa. Thank You again for Your comments as these reveal more about You than us. 

In any event, I shall try to send a few responses I can put together anent Your supposedly "long" post although my caveat is that You may have addressed those to the wrong parties, as none of the 3 names You mentioned were involved with the planning/organization/execution of either the DHSUD-PIEP NatCon or the elections therein, and as such none of us are actually obliged to respond. 

In any event, the responses I may attempt shall be indirect/tangential and based largely on observations that I made as an attendee. Regards, AAlli

x x x x x x x x

 

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[patrick jerome guasa]

EnP Delia Josef should have been included in the list. Apologies for my failure to include her.

I was not an attendee to the vnatcon, but the election results were posted on the fb page of the vnatcon group, that is why I posted the observations made by those who attended.

In the post, there are results of 608, 607, 602 which were tagged as 10%

if these were 10% of votes cast, then total votes cast would be 6,000+

but information was posted stating that total votes cast was 910. So what is the basis of the 10%?

those are not 10% of the total votes cast of 910.

is this where the math of 4 becoming the majority of 10 comes from?

for sure the vnatcon comelec can give a rational explanation.

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[Conrad Sontillano]

i attended the vNatCon and enjoyed the breadth and depth of topics.  They will prove useful to both private and public practitioners.

As for the organization, i hope we can be one piep. so i will not engage with brothers (or sisters) who have made up their minds and no amount of reason can change it. nor will i bait a member to answer any. for i know the dust will eventually settle.

mabuhay piep!

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[Antonio Kaimo]

Yes, I agree with you, Conrad. I dread the possibility of having a two-headed institution, similar to the United Architects of the Philippines (UAP) and the Philippine Institute of Architects (PIA). Just wondering how PRC deals with them - 2 sets of Board of Examiners?

Tony Kaimo

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[DELIA JOSEF]

Dear Patrick,

As your post is election related matter I must respond lest others in this thread may be confused by your figures.

Understanding the results needs just basic math.

1) The total votes cast by the 910 voters is 5,996 which means the average vote per voter is 6.58. This means voters did not vote all of the 11 candidates. Some voted from a low of 4 to a high of 11.

  

2) There were "910 voters" as declared in the proclamation

NOT "votes" as you claim 👇.

I have read your previous post (see attachment).

3) Basic math would show that the first placer with 632 votes/5996 total votes = 10.54 or 11%

Second placer with 608/5996 =10% 

Third placer with 607/5996 = 10%

You can of course calculate the respective percentages for the rest of the candidates to validate whether posted figures are correct. But please use the correct denominator.

Sincerely,

EnP Delia D. Josef, fpiep

xxx

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[patrick jerome guasa]

thank you for your reply. posted it already at the group chat

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[Lilia Casanova]

Simple explanation- environment planners are generally poor in Math! Yep! Hihihi!  

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[Lilia Casanova]

Patrick, you should have helped them do the math!