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I created a pull request (https://github.com/php-fig/fig-standards/pull/820) to remove the requirement for secretaries to be developer advocates for the group. I don't see any of the secretaries aside from Michael submitting talks and generally advocating for the group, and I don't think it means those secretaries are doing a bad job. I personally don't think it should be a requirement for the secretary role.
This is a formally discussion thread to gauge opinion and see if it's worth moving on to a vote.
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Not that I'm a voting member, but my $0.02
Presenting on FIG at conferences/etc has too much potential for being asked awkward questions about FIGDrama, putting the secretaries on the spot, and which they cannot answer because it's too loaded and political. Advocating for the group has benefits, but is also a two-edged sword; and I don't believe that it should be a defined part of the role, although I also see no reason when Secretaries shouldn't submit to conferences if they are prepared to accept the possibility of being asked inappropriate questions where they have to "no comment".
Could a voting member please open a vote on this PR please?
Gary
Finally, there is a general strong recommendation that whilst PSR approval or Errata votes might take place over the next three months, we’d strongly recommend waiting for the new structure to be implemented on the 1st January before any other kind of vote takes place. We are now in an odd kind of limbo state and membership votes, changes to FIG 3.0 and other parts of bylaws or entrance votes might be best to wait until the new structure is in place; especially seeing as the bylaws have changed how these votes actually take place and the voting franchise, but those people are not entirely yet in place to vote on those things. This isn’t a rule, it's not in the bylaws and Secretaries don't have the power to stop votes, we are simply recommending holding off on such votes to avoid confusion over who should be voting on the different measures and debate on such issues.
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The dev-adv part of the secretaries role was part of the initial bylaw that created the post. It doesn't seem to have caused an issue so far this year, so I see no reason to be hasty in changing it. Let's let the FIG 3 changes settle in first. The CC may render that Secretary task unnecessary, or not.
Let's leave it alone for now and revisit the question in the spring sometime, once we see how the CC/Secretary split plays out. We'll be able to make a more informed decision then.
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