unintelligible words/custom symbols/PCC

[amywi...@gmail.com]

Hello Yvan,

I am working on entering transcriptions of the Goldman-Fristoe from 3-year-olds with cleft palate. I am new to Phon and have a few questions:

1- What is the best way to hand an unintelligible word or part of a word. (we would not want this to be counted as an error)?

2- Is there a way to add your own custom symbols?

3- When running reports such as PCC, is there a way to have voiced/unvoiced cognates not be counted as an error in final position? (e.g., /glæsɪs/ have the final s for z not be counted as incorrect?)

Thanks for you help!

Amy Wilder

[Yvan Rose]

Hello Amy,

Welcome to the PhonBank community, and thank you for your questions. I interleave my replies below: 

1- What is the best way to hand an unintelligible word or part of a word. (we would not want this to be counted as an error)?

There are two main ways:

A) Mark the record as 'excluded'. This will void the record by default for all analyses.

B) In the context of a part-word you may want to keep for analysis, change the target to the relevant part of what the word should be.

2- Is there a way to add your own custom symbols?

Not really, as we need valid transcriptions to be able to generate analyses. (On this note, if you see a flag to the right of a transcription tier, there is something that needs fixing with this transcription.)

But you can probably adapt some of the symbols we already support to encode your observations. In this regard, I would need a sense of that the use cases might be. Please follow up about this.

3- When running reports such as PCC, is there a way to have voiced/unvoiced cognates not be counted as an error in final position? (e.g., /glæsɪs/ have the final s for z not be counted as incorrect?)

What I see is we would need options to ignore sound components such as 'place', 'manner', and 'voicing' (the latter your use case). Unfortunately we don't have this at the moment, but we're taking good note of the idea! 

In the meantime, you can add the 'distorted' diacritic to these phones -- this will mark them as 'correct' by default for analytic purposes.

I hope you find this all useful!!

Kind regards,

Yvan

Thanks for you help!

Amy Wilder

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[amywi...@gmail.com]

Thank you for the quick response. This is all very helpful.

Best,

Amy

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Amy Wilder

amywi...@gmail.com

[amywi...@gmail.com]

One more quick question:

Is there a symbol in Phon for ingressive airflow? I haven't been able to locate it on the IPA map.

Thanks,

Amy

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Amy Wilder

amywi...@gmail.com

[Yvan Rose]

Hi again Amy,

Is there a symbol in Phon for ingressive airflow? I haven't been able to locate it on the IPA map.

Here is a good suggestion, thank you. Could you please send me more information about additional use cases (from the same chart where you took your screenshot, I would imagine? We will then see how we can integrate these symbols as part of our transcription system.

Thank you very much!

Yvan 

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[amywi...@gmail.com]

Hi Yvan,

Yes, ingressive airflow articulation is an error seen in kids with cleft palate. It is most often seen with oral fricatives but can be used with any oral or nasal phoneme. The ingressive airflow diacritic comes from the extended IPA symbols for disorder speech (Kiel 2015)- see attached.

The IPA number is 661 and the Unicode (hex) is U+2193.

Thanks!

Amy

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Amy Wilder

amywi...@gmail.com

[Yvan Rose]

Thank you for all this, Amy.

This won't be added to Phon for a little while, however. I suggest you and I meet online to discuss a stop-gap measure in the meantime. Please email me at yr...@mun.ca with your available times (we'd need 30 mins I assume) and time zone for the coming week. I'll take it from there.

Thank you very much,

Yvan