This message is motivated partly by a pain I am experiencing. Presently we're using various chat apps (Telegram, Keybase, Hangouts) and none of these are giving me a satisfactory experience. Messages disappear quickly and remain locked in "silos". The problems could be partly solved by persistently archiving old messages so that we can find them again (like they do here: https://leanprover-community.github.io/Archiven/).
But I am also motivated by a more positive vision and broader potential 'gain':Thinking back to PlanetMath: we combined an encyclopedia, automatic linking, bug reports, Q&A, and open forum discussions into a single reasonably-well-integrated whole.Most of the original features of PlanetMath now exist in stand-alone systems that work very well for their separate tasks, but that don't have the integration that made PlanetMath attractive in the first place.The site was first built in 2000 and went online before Wikipedia, Stack Exchange, and so on. We rebuilt it in 2013 in Drupal, which was a lot of work, and frankly not a huge success partly because we didn't have the workforce needed to maintain what we built. But also because our Drupal solution didn't actually integrate with the places where the action was happening.Now what I am wondering is whether we could create a platform using mostly off-the-shelf components and APIs, hooking them together in such a way that they serve the needs *not just of the peeragogy project* but of other peer learning groups. For example, we might even reboot PlanetMath a third time using this platform!One challenge is the "workforce" question: even if we use off-the-shelf components and APIs, setting them up will take work. I think we can solve this, though.I'm motivated by what I'm working on in my startup: our present focus is making a software tool that supports people in learning how to program. Users will want many of the old PlanetMath community features. This time around, we also want to incorporate some AI software — but that is to augment not replace collective intelligence!All told, I'd like to ask for your help in *envisioning*, *designing*, and ultimately *building* a platform for peeragogy. Perhaps we can start by talking more about the strengths and weaknesses of the tools we're currently using.
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My experience with communication platforms is that it takes a critical mass of engaged people to make it relevant, and newcomers are often put off by some of the friction points. I'm up for improvement but not at the expense of engagement.
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Hi Joe, hi everyone together,A tool that can save messages and then order them into separate folders might be interesting. (I couldn’t open the link for some reason. Is this what lean pullover does?) It would also be interesting to save pictures/videos and audio files within folder topics with the option of nesting (like in the computer)
Would also be interesting to have both synchronous and asynchronous chat options for both chat and video.
Such a tool would definitely be useful for other organizations who can use this for peer to peer learning and grow a start-up education ecosystem with a variety of perspectives and in various subjects. Having such a tool I would be excited to take peer health a step further (lacking this and the technical skill/ capacity to build this is what is lacking for me to proceed here... )Here too AI would be interesting for support. Maybe it’s a matter of perspective but it seems logical to me that AI should not be a replacement to the collective intelligence any more than the collective Intelligence should replace personal reasoning and intuition.
Current tools:Strengths zoom: synchronous videoStrength of udemy, coursera: asynchronous coursesSteregth of telegram, WhatsApp, slack: synchronous chatStrength of jira, confluence, google docs, email: asynchrous chatWeakness: all silos in their specialty and do not offer all options needed in one platform which can save together and keep things „tidy“. Things do get lost and it is indeed a pain to find, when even possible.
So find options need to be integrated to all functions and „save or star“ options too for the things you don’t want to drag and drop into a separate folder but do want to mark. (Privately)
Telegram would be much better just by incorporating a private „pin“ to find messages later, like whatsapp‘s „star“ function.
Also would be cool to have signals like „emojis“ for synchronous videos so people can all respond as a voluntary emotional landscape tool without interrupting the flow of discussions.
What exactly is the workforce challenge? Is it a lack of workforce or interpersonal challenges? I am currently excited about designing and experimenting with different methodologies with peer to peer support to help groups increase resiliency and cooperation. We will utilize traditional evidence based and alternative methods to develop a positive HR system. will work with team members to support growth and development, higher ikigai alignment and flow, communication skills and systems for conflict prevention and post conflict healing/ reconciliation. The idea is to foster higher individual and organizational resiliency while also investigating how to foster higher collaboration.
Would love to collaborate and would truly appreciate everyone‘s support in hacking a new system based on positive incentives, a non-punitive way to support people to grow and help each other develop and heal in groups instead of punishing symptomatic behavior of personal and collective conditioning, shifting paradigms, building resiliency.
What are some benefits to and challenges/ inefficiencies people have encountered (in leadership and in employee or team member positions) in the current system?Imagine a system that would feel more positive, healthier and motivate you more. What would be necessary from leaders? From colleges? What would be necessary in terms of systemic or values realignment? What would be rewarded? How could hard work and cooperation simultaneously prevail (collective intelligence and peer to peer learning style) in the greater society? What motivates YOU?
I’d like to investigate these meta patterns to collectively design systems that will encourage more of this cooperation I have seen in Peeragogy in future also in other organizations and situations.
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My experience with communication platforms is that it takes a critical mass of engaged people to make it relevant, and newcomers are often put off by some of the friction points. I'm up for improvement but not at the expense of engagement.
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No virtual backgrounds. Here is a recording. I don’t know what it takes to get the attention of Zoom management, but I found BBB to respond nearly instantaneously when I had a problem or question.
On Jun 24, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Joe Corneli <holtze...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi Howard,From my point of view it would be great to join an "alpha test" in the version of the new disaggregated SMC. We were using the old SMC for version 1 of the Handbook so it would be like coming home! I'm also pleased to know that Sam is involved with this new effort! Some of us (including me) may also be able to contribute directly to development activities; and we could also do a bit of recruiting effort if more hands are wanted.As I mentioned before, I'm imagining a platform that could eventually be useful even for a reboot of PlanetMath, and any other peer learning community, though that would likely be a long-term prospect. Perhaps a new platform can help us bootstrap a further system with more features.Presently, for the contemporary needs of the Peeragogy project, I'm imagining a platform that would:- on an opt-in basis, keep track of the things that people are doing — so that we could index messages from various platforms in one place;
- keep track of our pattern catalogue and semi-formal Action Reviews — and can help us diagnose patterns and anti-patterns in our activities;
- use that collection of content to us detect learning and better understand our productivity — and accordingly give recommendations;
- and above all support interaction with other learners and co-workers.
Some of that may just be nice-to-haves — after all, we have gotten by without many of these features so far — but nevertheless I think they could massively potentiate our work. With peeragogy as a hub I think we could ultimately provide all of the features of a mainstream university, but so far we have been taking a slow and by-hand route in that direction. Some power tools could help us make more rapid progress. This is inspired by my work in the early-stage startup world, and I don't know just how or how much much this vision overlaps with what you and Sam are working on now.Maybe we could set up a call to discuss further ?
On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 21:33, Howard Rheingold <how...@rheingold.com> wrote:No virtual backgrounds. Here is a recording. I don’t know what it takes to get the attention of Zoom management, but I found BBB to respond nearly instantaneously when I had a problem or question.By the way, I think dealing well and quickly with service queries is a big selling point! Zoom has not been responsive to requests for help.Also, incidentally, I installed Jitsi on one of my virtual servers (but could have opted for BBB instead). If it's useful I can de-install that and switch to BBB so that we have some redundant installations.
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Hi Howard,From my point of view it would be great to join an "alpha test" in the version of the new disaggregated SMC. We were using the old SMC for version 1 of the Handbook so it would be like coming home! I'm also pleased to know that Sam is involved with this new effort! Some of us (including me) may also be able to contribute directly to development activities; and we could also do a bit of recruiting effort if more hands are wanted.
As I mentioned before, I'm imagining a platform that could eventually be useful even for a reboot of PlanetMath, and any other peer learning community, though that would likely be a long-term prospect. Perhaps a new platform can help us bootstrap a further system with more features.
Presently, for the contemporary needs of the Peeragogy project, I'm imagining a platform that would:- on an opt-in basis, keep track of the things that people are doing — so that we could index messages from various platforms in one place;
- keep track of our pattern catalogue and semi-formal Action Reviews — and can help us diagnose patterns and anti-patterns in our activities;
- use that collection of content to us detect learning and better understand our productivity — and accordingly give recommendations;
- and above all support interaction with other learners and co-workers.
Some of that may just be nice-to-haves — after all, we have gotten by without many of these features so far — but nevertheless I think they could massively potentiate our work. With peeragogy as a hub I think we could ultimately provide all of the features of a mainstream university, but so far we have been taking a slow and by-hand route in that direction. Some power tools could help us make more rapid progress. This is inspired by my work in the early-stage startup world, and I don't know just how or how much much this vision overlaps with what you and Sam are working on now.
Maybe we could set up a call to discuss further ?
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> Presently, for the contemporary needs of the Peeragogy project, I'm imagining a platform that would:
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> - on an opt-in basis, keep track of the things that people are doing
> - keep track of our pattern catalogue and semi-formal Action Reviews
> - use that collection of content to us detect learning and better understand our productivity — and accordingly give recommendations;
> [...]Recommendations for future outcomes will be again, for what target group? Those involved in the peer to peer learning and production? general public? specific segments? Probably I am missing much of the background and context.
> - on an opt-in basis, keep track of the things that people are doing
> - keep track of our pattern catalogue and semi-formal Action Reviews
> - use that collection of content to us detect learning and better understand our productivity — and accordingly give recommendations;
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