Peerage for David Cameron?

[Richard R]

There’s speculation that David Cameron will return to government to the recently (minutes ago) vacated post of Foreign Secretary. To enable that to happen, he will have to be fast tracked to the House of Lords? He is of course a scion of the MOUNT Bts and his wife the dau of Sir Reginald Adrian Berkely SHEFFIELD 8^th Bt .

If confirmed, his appointment follows in the footsteps of formy party leaders Lord Home of the Hirsel and Lord Hague of Richmond.

[Richard R]

*former

[Richard R]

Cameron's appointment confirmed and PM's office says will be given a Barony for life. Presumably this will be one of the fastest creations on record. What's the current record from announcement to letters patent passing The Great Seal? (David B, do you have this at your fingertips?)

[Richard R]

The last Foreign Sec in the Lords was 6th Baron Carrington

[Richard R]

Aware I'm having a conversation with myself at the moment, but things keep popping into my head!

Have we ever had a plain Baron CAMERON? I know we’ve had LPs CAMERON OF BALHOUSE (cr 1983, ext 1985), CAMERON OF DILLINGTON (cr 2004) and CAMERON OF LOCHBROOM (cr 1984). Is the reason it’s not appropriate as we have the ancient Scots CAMERON OF LOCHIEL family?

[Jonathan]

There has been no Baron Cameron, as per Leigh Rayment. I believe titles that are the names of clans recognised by the Lord Lyon are not usually allowed. Editors on Wikipedia have already started to call him Lord Cameron, which is incorrect in any case as Letters Patent will not yet have been prepared. I also believe it is not actually necessary to have a seat in parliament in order to be a cabinet minister, just convention to do so.

One instance of a short time from announcement to Great Seal was the case of Baron Heywood of Whitehall (2 days) as he sadly died a matter of days later and there was a desire to honour him before the inevitable happened.

[David Beamish]

Jeremy Heywood was of course a special case, and formerly royal peerages were often announced on the day of the sealing of the letters patent - such as the Duke of York in 1986 and the Earl of Wessex in 1999.

Looking at recent appointments of government ministers, the interval was 4 days in the case of Viscount Whitelaw (1983), 5 days in the case of Lord Waddington (1990), 6 days in the case of Viscount Dilhorne (1964), and 7 days in the cases of Lord Harrington of Watford and Lord Bellamy (2022), Lord Wolfson of Tredegar (2020) and Lord Adonis (2005).

[BREMENMURRAY]

Descendant of William IV

[bx...@yahoo.com]

More aristocratic connections for Mr. Cameron:

Per wargs.com, among his 3x great-grandfathers were the 5th Earl of Fife and the 7th Earl of Denbigh and 6th Earl of Desmond.  A 4x great grandfather was the 18th Earl of Erroll.

Wikipedia says (so this would need to be verified) that he is a 7th cousin of King Charles III.

Brooke

[Olivier]

 Charles III , King of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a 5th cousin of a grandparent of David Cameron.

    Indeed,
        George III, King of Great Britain  
        Charlotte, Herzogin von Mecklenburg-Strelitz  
    are at the same time
        ancestors of the 8th generation of David Cameron
        ancestors of the 6th generation of Charles III, King of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

[BREMENMURRAY]

Both descended from George III.Would depend on how seventh cousin is calculated

[Olivier]

David Cameron  https://buff.ly/49t1FpX

[rcb1]

I would thought Lord Cameron of Witney or Lord Cameron of Peasemore are the most likely names.  

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 11:45:20 AM UTC Jonathan wrote:

[Henry W]

Lord Cameron of Greensill perhaps?

Lord Witney has not yet been used. Titles with just the place name and no surname have come back into vogue a bit in recent years.

The most recent cabinet minister to need a peerage was Nicky Morgan I think, who stepped down at the 2019 election, and so was created Baroness Morgan of Cotes on 6 January 2020 to continue as Culture Secretary.

[https:/www.maltagenealogy.com/LeighRayment/]

I realise there is next to zero chance of a Hereditary Peerage for Cameron, but why not a Viscountdom !! It would be fitting for the former Prime Minster.. Maybe CIII might advise to reward Cameron with something fitting due to his relationship and ancestry.....

[colinp]

The House of Lords order paper for Monday 20 November says David Cameron is to be introduced on that day

[DANIEL WILLIAM Sullivan]

Regardless of possible title names it remains a disgrace that he will be in the Lords. The Lords should not be a dumping ground for failures.

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[sven_me...@web.de]

It should not exist inm it's present form in the modern world.

[Baronetcy Lady]

DPB online reports that it's Cameron of Chipping Norton.

https://www.debretts1769.com/f/5192?page=1&query=cameron&indices%5BFamilies%5D%5Bpage%5D=1&indices%5BFamilies%5D%5Bconfigure%5D%5BhitsPerPage%5D=100

[S. S.]

Isn't Chipping Norton where Cameron lives or near it anyway? 

S.S.

[Peter de Loriol Chandieu]

Only baronies are awarded nowadays, lifetime ones only, irrespective of major achievements or not. As for Cameron of Lochiel descent, that is yet to be proved for Baron Cameron. The requirements for someone to be a minister is affiliation to the ruling party, and a peerage, if the incumbent is not an MP. This was the case for my grandfather, and remains as such. Lifetime Baronies are the precursor to what eventually will be some sort of 'senator', ensuring a bicameral parliament. All that really needs to be done now is for the Upper House to be culled of too many peers, about a third, for it to work properly.

[David Beamish]

The House of Lords website confirms that David Cameron has today become Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton: https://members.parliament.uk/member/1467/career

The speed of sealing the letters patent matches that of Viscount Whitelaw in 1983: four days from the announcement.

[colinp]

In fact there was a fairly recent case of a (Labour) Foreign Secretary who was neither in the Lords nor the Commons for the whole period of his Secretaryship.  That was Patrick Gordon Walker.  He lost his seat as an MP in Smethwick at the 1964 General Election (15 Oct 1964).  He was then appointed Foreign Secretary by Harold Wilson the following day despite being neither an MP or a peer.  He then stood in the safe constituency of Leyton at a by-election on 21 Jan 1965 (the sitting MP Reginald Sorensen having been made a peer to make way for Walker) but the by-election was won by the Conservatives.  He resigned as Foreign Secretary the following day.  He later returned to the Commons as MP for Leyton at the 1966 General Election and eventually was made a life peer as Lord Gordon-Walker in 1974 having retired from the Commons at the Feb 1974 General Election

[Jonathan]

On Friday, 17 November 2023 at 09:59:28 UTC S. S. wrote:

Isn't Chipping Norton where Cameron lives or near it anyway? 

I believe he lives in Dean, a few miles from Chipping Norton. "Lord Cameron of Dean" would have been a bit more snappy.

Dean is adjacent to the village of Chadlington. Interestingly, Lord Chadlington is "Baron Chadlington, of Dean in the County of Oxfordshire".

[colinp]

For completeness - the notice in the London Gazette 21 November 2023

Crown Office

THE KING has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal of the Realm dated 17 November 2023 to confer the dignity of a Barony of the United Kingdom for life upon The Right Honourable David William Donald Cameron, by the name, style and title of BARON CAMERON OF CHIPPING NORTON, of Chipping Norton in the County of Oxfordshire