The Earl Granville

[marquess]

According to Wikipedia and an article in Country Life, the earl appears to be married with a second wife and 2 sons. Does anyone have any further information? 

https://www.countrylife.co.uk/luxury/art-and-antiques/in-focus-fergus-granville-the-driftwood-sculptor-inspired-by-north-uist-222134

[Henry W]

According to Scotlandspeople, the Earl divorced his first wife in 2011.  Not found anything else.

[bx...@yahoo.com]

marquess,

Per DB Online, the Earl has 1 son and 2 daughters from his 1st marriage.  He married his second wife, Florence Emily Pearson in 2016.  Their 2 sons are Joseph James J. (b. 2014 and therefore presumably not in the line of succession) and Patrick William, (b. 2018).

Brooke

[malcolm davies]

Brooke,

             An additional note-Joseph is legitimate under Scots law,having been legitimated by his parents marriage.If the peerage were a Scottish one,he would be an heir.However the title is in the peerage of the UK and the applicable law is the Children Act 1975.Whilst this also provides that a child whose parents later marry is legitimated, the Act contains a specific exemption that it does not apply to succession to peerages.

[marquess]

Actually Malcolm, Joseph is in remainder to the Scottish Earldom of Sutherland as are the daughters,  though there are likely to be 100 people ahead of them.

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Hi malcolm.

You make a good point, with the reminder about the difference with Scots peerages.  Obviously, since this is a UK peerage, it doesn't apply here, but it always good to keep this in mind.

Brooke

[Henry W]

I don't think the GRANVILLE earls are in remainder to the SUTHERLAND earldom as they are not descended from any of the Earls (to my knowledge, though possibly they are on a very collateral line) - the closest they come is that the 1st Earl GRANVILLE's brother (the 1st Duke of SUTHERLAND) married the 19th Countess of SUTHERLAND

This family tree shows the connections between the families quite well:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Dukes_of_Sutherland_family_tree

The GRANVILLE earls are in line to the STAFFORD marquessate (and GOWER earldom, TRENTHAM viscountcy, GOWER barony, and an English baronetcy)  if the SUTHERLAND dukedom becomes extinct (which seems likely - the youngest male in remainder to that title was born 1977 - see this thread), but all these titiles are GB/English titles, so no legitimation possible.

[malcolm davies]

Marquess,Henry is correct-otherwise the question of extinction of the Ducal title wouldn't be in prospect.

There are a lot of people in remainder between the grandaughters of the current Duke and the Earldom as follows:

The daughters of the current earl(25th) none of whom are married with issue.

The Earl's brother and his 5 sons,only one of whom is married with 1 son and 2 daughters.

That exhausts the issue of the 24th Countess.

One goes next to the issue of Lady Rosemary,sister of the 5th Duke who married the 3rd Earl of Dudley and includes various Wards and the children of the 12th Duke of Beaufort.

Next comes the Earls of Cromartie and their descendants,the issue of the 8th Duke of Argyll which includes the families of the Dukes of Northumberland and Buccleuch and the Lords Blantyre.

Next comes the issue of the 5th Duke of Leinster and the 1st Duke of Westminster,which includes the issue by his first marriage of the 10th Duke of Roxburghe.

Its only then that we get to the descendants of the 1st Earl of Ellesmere who are now Dukes of Sutherland.Included in those descendants are the children of Jock Colville,Churchill's private secretary.

I may have left out some people on the way but it shows the marriages occurred within a tight social group.

[dpth...@gmail.com]

Perhaps off-topic, but the Granville family has always interested me. Here is some background:


John GRANVILLE, cr 1661 Earl of Bath, Viscount Granville of Lansdown, and Lord Granville of Kilkhampton and Bideford (29 Aug 1628-London Aug 1701); m.ca Oct 1652 Jane Wyche (d.3 Feb 1692)
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1.Charles, 2nd Earl of Bath (1661-shot himself to death at London 4 Sep 1701); m.1st London 22 May 1678 Lady Martha Osborne (d.11 Sep 1689); m.2nd London 10 Mar 1691 Isabella de Nassau (bap 20 Apr 1668-30 Jan 1692)
1.1.William Henry, 3rd Earl of Bath (30 Jan 1692-London 17 May 1711)
2.Jane, d.27 Feb 1696; m.Sir William Leveson-Gower, 4th Bt. (d.Dec 1691)
3.Catherine; m.Craven Peyton
4.John, cr 1703 Lord Granville of Potheridge (London 12 Apr 1665-3 Dec 1707); m.15 Apr 1703 Rebecca, Marchioness of Worcester (d.Richmond 17 Jul 1712), dau of Sir Josias Child, Bt.
5.Grace, cr 1715 Countess Granville and Viscountess Carteret (ca 1667-18 Oct 1744); m.George Carteret, Lord Carteret (Jul 1667-22 Sep 1695)


The 1st Earl of Bath's nephew, George Granville, was cr 1712 Lord Lansdown of Biddeford, cr 1721, by the Pretender, Duke of Albemarle, Marquess Monk and Fitzhemon, Earl of Bath, etc., and Lord Lansdown's brother was ancestor, through a female line, of the LG Family Granville of Wellesbourne.


While the Granville estates seem to have gone to the descendants of Jane, Lady Leveson-Gower, the Granville name was first used for Jane's younger sister and her issue:


Sir George CARTERET, 2nd Bt., cr 1681 Lord Carteret of Hawnes (Jul 1667-22 Sep 1695); m.Lady Grace Granville, cr 1714 Countess Granville and Viscountess Carteret (ca 1667-18 Oct 1744)
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1.John, 2nd Lord Carteret and 2nd Earl Granville (22 Apr 1690-Bath 2 Jan 1763); m.1st Longleat 17 Oct 1710 Frances Worsley (6 Mar 1694-Hanover 20 Jun 1743), a granddau. of 1st Lord Weymouth; m.2nd 14 Apr 1744 Lady Sophia Fermor (29 May 1721-7 Oct 1745)
1.1.Grace (8 Jul 1713-23 Jul 1755); m.London 22 Jul 1729 Lionel Tollemache, 4th Earl of Dysart (Helmingham 1 May 1708-10 Mar 1770)
1.2.Luisa (d.25 Dec 1736); m.3 Jul 1733 Thomas Thynne, 2nd Viscount Weymouth (21 May 1710-13 Jan 1751); their younger son inherited most of the Carteret estates and was cr Lord Carteret
1.3. Georgiana Carolina (d.21 Aug 1780); m.1st 14 Feb 1734 John Spencer, of Althorp (13 May 1708-19 Jun 1746); m.2nd 1 May 1750 William Cowper, 2nd Earl Cowper (13 Aug 1709-18 Sep 1764)
1.4.Robert, 3rd Earl Granville (21 Sep 1721-13 Feb 1776); m.Elisabeth N (d.29 Sep 1766)
1.5.Frances (d.25 Dec 1788); m.24 May 1748 Charles Hay, 4th Marquess of Tweeddale (ca 1695-9 Dec 1762)
1.6.Frances
1.7.George
1.8.John
1.9.Sophia (26 Aug 1745-5 Jan 1771); m.London 19 Jul 1779 William Petty, Earl of Shelburne [later, Marquess of Lansdowne, a title apparently selected because of her descent from the Granvilles] (Dublin 2 May 1737-London 7 May 1805)

[S. S.]

I have an extract from my rewrite of The Complete Peerage from Bath to Bathurst. Should cover most of the minutiae regarding the families and their connected dignities. 

S.S.

[Jesse Honey]

Yes, the Granville family are indeed interesting and of course the Grenfells, a variant, were also raised to the peerage as the Barons Desborough (and Barons Grenfell). Are there any other examples of families with very close surnames (in this case, both from Granville in Normandy) both being ennobled separately? (ignoring the obvious Smiths, Joneses and so on).

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[Paul Theroff]

nice. Here is what I have on my site

https://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/gotha/granville.html

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[Paul Theroff]

They're unrelated, but I always enjoy repeating "Granville, Grenville, Grenfell, Greville"

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