New member. P365

[virginia I.]

Hello. Thank you moderator for accepting my request to join group. I've been a reader for a couple of months now. Early October I became 3rd owner of a well loved P367 -hull #16. The day of purchase I was able to leave the dock and begin the long voyage downstream from near Knoxville TN to the Gulf.   I'm laid over at a marina in MS for Thanksgiving and to do some document work but I'm very antsy to learn to sail her. 

The halyards are in bad shape. So bad that I've stopped messing/ exploring with the sails in the marina. The halyards are all half cables - with the line/ rope section that has clearly degraded. . I've no experience with that.  

I am writing today if anyone has opinions on :

1. Replacing with same or other

2. Can be bought online or do I need to wait to get to some pros on the coast?

~Virginia on Saffira

[virginia I.]

Oh for goodness sake.  poor proof reading in title . She's a 367 cutter and not a 365

[Pauleen Ward Brown]

Virginia,

 congratulations on your 

'new' to you boat!

It's a lot of fun and a lot of aches too! 

I wish you, fairwinds and Sunny skies 

Pauleen

32-1 Corum Deo

Breezy Point, NY

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[mark mills]

Congratulations on your new to you boat.

  Every boat I've owned that had rope to wire halyards, I've replaced with all rope.

  I've never worried about the mast shives  as long as they roll okay.  If they are stiff, or stuck, I would replace them with the proper shives for the line size.

   I've never had trouble with chafe from the old shives when done in this way.

   I do like to do an eye spliceed to a snap shackle, but many people just tie the halrard to the sail.

Mark Mills

Pearson 39 #42

KATAMA

Mobile Alabama 

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[Peter Trunfio]

Congratulations, Virginia...second happiest day of your life. 😉

When I bought my 10M, it had a wire to rope main halyard.

I was scared I would garrote myself raising or dropping the main.

I replaced all the running rigging before I ever launched the boat.

I'm sure someone here can give you the specs on your running  rigging, but...

The last time I replaced all my running rigging, I cheated...

Mauripro has a database of a bunch of boats and their running rigging specs:

Pearson Sailboats - Halyards & Sheets | MAURIPRO Sailing https://share.google/MY0ZeGQPGM1lCmtU9

It's a little confusing because they list a Pearson 367, a 36 Cut, and a 36 Cutter:

You probably need to call to confirm...

As someone else suggested, I would get "hardware" on the halyards...snap shackles on the headsails, D-shackle on the main.

I would recommend getting "luggage tag loops" on the "bitter end" of any halyards so you can run messenger lines in the off season.

And get eye splices and use soft shackles on the jib/genoa/staysail sheets...

And don't get lines that are TOO high-tech...if they are too stiff...they are miserable to handle...

I'm sure others have their thoughts as well.

Buena Suerte.

PMT

Peter M. Trunfio

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[Dan Pfeiffer]

Hi-Tech generally means low-stretch.  Low stretch halyards are not just for racers.  The reason to use this is to keep your sails from going baggy when a puff hits.  Tighter halyard draws draft forward and flattens sail.  This is typical trim in higher wind or puffy conditions.  If the halyard stretches when a puff comes it will let the draft move aft and make the sail fuller at the exact moment you don't want that.  That's why the OEM were wire.  To reduce stretch.  That way you have more control over the sail shape.  Cruising sails are not typically as responsive as racing sails to halyard tension but it still matters.  You don't want to give up shape control to stretchy halyards in puffy conditions.  

I would consider line like New England Viper for your halyards.  Dynema core with dacron cover.  I suppose it is "hi-tech" but not crazy.  You can have the halyards made with the cover stripped back a few feet or even half the length so that the handling part of the line always has cover.  I would then put an eye splice in the end that you can attach a snap shackle or D shackle to.  The reason to go to this trouble is to keep the diameter of the splice small enough that it doesn't jam in the sheave box or a block when fully hoisted.  a spliced eye with a cover will increase the diameter at the splice end for about 20".  Using a core type line like this with the cover stripped back means the diameter of the splice won't be bigger than the original cored line with cover.  You do not need to splice the shackle onto line.  Just make the loop large enough to loop around the eye on the shackle.  you could then whip it on if you need that extra security.  But it can be easily un-done to replace the shackle if needed.  3/8 (10mm) viper would do.   This is what I am using.  I also use it for genoa and spinnaker sheets.  Handles fine.  Not stiff.  I have some older halyards made from StaSet-X that are horribly stiff.  But they are old fashioned now like your wire.   

For jib halyard length you need headstay length + I dimension (jib hoist) + whatever you need to get to the winch. For the 367 that's about 46 + 43 + 15? = about 105'.  I'd order 110?  You can cut some off but you can't add back.   If you go with stripping cover off of line like NER Viper the stripped portion would be on the order of 35' max?  Measure what you have to be sure.   The eye spice on the core is easy.  The splice to bury the cover where it's stripped back is harder. 

The 367 (36 Cutter) is a nice boat.  A 365 with some welcome performance potential.  Might even go upwind well.   An evolutionary step in the 365 family.  The ultimate step I think was the 386.  Basically a stretched 367 with bigger, higher aspect rig.

Dan Pfeiffer

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[Jeff Griglack]

I have a P365 ketch in Rhode Island.  The P367 is similar, but it is a cutter has a deeper keel and a slightly taller mast (by a couple of feet).

When I replaced the wire-to-rope halyards with all rope, I bought 110 feet of Samson XLS from Defender for each line.  At the time, I thought that I might bring the lines back to the cockpit (I decided not to for various reasons I won't go into here).  I found that splicing this rope was very easy, and it has held up very well for the last 5 seasons.  I have a little excess, but not too much to be manageable, and, if it does get in the way, I can cut it.  I would rather go a little too long than too short.

I replaced the main halyard, and two jib halyards.

Have run with the boat.

Jeff

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[Ken Anderson]

I've been in the business for 53 years now.  I've always replaced the rope-to-wire halyards with double braid halyards.  One thing that I would suggest,  order the replacement halyard WITHOUT a snapshackle.  Simply remove and install the upper swivel's shackle through the eye in the halyard.  You won't ever have to worry about a snap shackle popping open and you get an extra 2" of hoist when the time comes to replace your genoa...

[virginia I.]

I am astounded at all the in-depth responses I received here. Exceedingly grateful.  Every word is digested fully.

[virginia I.]

Mark, I see you're in Mobile.  Can you refer me to riggers in area?  

On Saturday, November 15, 2025 at 1:55:20 PM UTC-6 wrote:

Congratulations on your new to you boat.

  Every boat I've owned that had rope to wire halyards, I've replaced with all rope.

  I've never worried about the mast shives  as long as they roll okay.  If they are stiff, or stuck, I would replace them with the proper shives for the line size.

   I've never had trouble with chafe from the old shives when done in this way.

   I do like to do an eye spliceed to a snap shackle, but many people just tie the halrard to the sail.

Mark Mills

Pearson 39 #42

KATAMA

Mobile Alabama 

[Guy Johnson]

If you're looking for halyards for your 367, there are several retailers that will build halyards for you. 

https://www.practical-sailor.com/sails-rigging-deckgear/practical-sailors-guide-to-choosing-cost-efficient-halyard-materials

https://www.mauripro.com/collections/mauripro-halyards-sheets-for-pearson-367

https://defender.com/en_us/catalogsearch/result/?q=Main%20Halyard%20with%20Pre-Spliced%20Shackle&sortBy=master_en_us_products_created_at_desc

https://www.westmarine.com/halyards/

I have dyneema core, polyester cover double braid halyards on Puffin. 

Guy

Puffin 10M #6

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[mark mills]

West Stanley is the best around here.

228-437-7777.

  Are you close by?  I'm at Sundowners marina on Dog river.  We have 2 365's here, and my Pearson 39.

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[virginia I.]

Much appreciated. 

I should be there mid December. Waiting out Thanksgiving on Tenn-Tomm near family. 

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[mark mills]

We're planning on going south for a few months. We may be gone before you get here.

   We are only planning on sailing South Florida for a while to get a real good shakedown on our P39.  And thinking about the Bahamas next season. 

   We have two dogs, 50 and 75 lbs. This will be their shakedown too. The older dog has several were week to 10 day trips and the puppy only has two or three, week long trips.

   This will be the first time sailing more than 12 hours at a stretch for both of them.

   We usually do 3 runs of 18 to 30 hours between Mobile and Key West. 

   I'm pretty sure there are at least 3 Pearson 365's on Dog river.  Two at Sundowner Marina, and at least 1 in Turners marina.

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