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Thoughts and questions inline below, but also:
Would we import discussions into the new system? Would we sunset Groups?
On Mar 14, 2015 5:36 PM, "David Celis" <m...@davidcel.is> wrote:
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> Hi, friends! It's me, your friendly neighborhood David Celis. I wanted to talk to y'all about Google Groups. I can't image that this topic hasn't been brought up before. Maybe it's been a while, as evidenced by my search through past threads yielding no results. I'll just go ahead and ask, so ready your flamethrowers:
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> How does everybody feel about continuing on with Google Groups? Are y'all satisfied with using it as our online communication mechanism? I personally haven't been a fan of it for a while, for a few reasons.
Since I use it exclusively via email it works fine for me. Yes, the web interface isn't great, but I also don't know how many active members use it over email.
> No categorization, pinning, or setting importance of messages. The only way to do this really is doing the whole [PREFIX] thing, or making totally new mailing lists (such as we have done with pdxruby-business or pdxruby-beginners). Then we end up with either a bunch of different mailing lists or a hodgepodge of topics in the main one (which we already have).
I personally haven't ever felt the need for categorization, pinning, or adjusting of levels. Are those features that get used with great effect by other forum packages?
Also, I'm not sure how moving over to something else would help us in our organization with respect to the other lists. Seems like it would be the same as merging those other lists back into the main list, but I'd argue they should be separate beasts.
> It's controlled by the Google Overlords! ... Okay, that's mostly a joke. But I do think that, at our current size and as we grow, perhaps we would want a tool that we do have more control over. Considering certain recent events and discussion, I think that our group is approaching needing some sort of moderation capabilities.
We have moderation capabilities with the current setup, we would just prefer not to use them.
> It's just not pleasant to use. I recognize that this is merely opinion, but I imagine that Google Groups isn't the most friendly tool to lure people from our in-person meetups. I'd like to see more discussion happening online since we only meet once a month, and I'm surprised that we don't have more active conversations here considering the size of our meetups now! I know that I haven't participated in online discussion as much as I'd like, and partially that's because of frustration and disappointment with Google Groups.
> I would personally much prefer to see us using software that is meant to be used as a discussion forum as opposed to a mailing list for announcements. I would be more than happy to setup, host, and maintain a Discourse installation or something similar for PDX Ruby if there were interest. I'd just like something that feels a bit more community-ish, is more welcoming to newcomers, and is generally nicer to use.
Is there a way to see percentages of how people use Google Groups, and the domains registered (gmail, yahoo, etc)? I'm not convinced that creating another account on another system would be more welcoming to newcomers.
Thoughts and questions inline below, but also:
Would we import discussions into the new system? Would we sunset Groups?
On Mar 14, 2015 5:36 PM, "David Celis" <m...@davidcel.is> wrote:Since I use it exclusively via email it works fine for me. Yes, the web interface isn't great, but I also don't know how many active members use it over email.
Hi, friends! It's me, your friendly neighborhood David Celis. I wanted to talk to y'all about Google Groups. I can't image that this topic hasn't been brought up before. Maybe it's been a while, as evidenced by my search through past threads yielding no results. I'll just go ahead and ask, so ready your flamethrowers:
How does everybody feel about continuing on with Google Groups? Are y'all satisfied with using it as our online communication mechanism? I personally haven't been a fan of it for a while, for a few reasons.
No categorization, pinning, or setting importance of messages. The only way to do this really is doing the whole [PREFIX] thing, or making totally new mailing lists (such as we have done with pdxruby-business or pdxruby-beginners). Then we end up with either a bunch of different mailing lists or a hodgepodge of topics in the main one (which we already have).I personally haven't ever felt the need for categorization, pinning, or adjusting of levels. Are those features that get used with great effect by other forum packages?
Also, I'm not sure how moving over to something else would help us in our organization with respect to the other lists. Seems like it would be the same as merging those other lists back into the main list, but I'd argue they should be separate beasts.
It's controlled by the Google Overlords! ... Okay, that's mostly a joke. But I do think that, at our current size and as we grow, perhaps we would want a tool that we do have more control over. Considering certain recent events and discussion, I think that our group is approaching needing some sort of moderation capabilities.We have moderation capabilities with the current setup, we would just prefer not to use them.
It's just not pleasant to use. I recognize that this is merely opinion, but I imagine that Google Groups isn't the most friendly tool to lure people from our in-person meetups. I'd like to see more discussion happening online since we only meet once a month, and I'm surprised that we don't have more active conversations here considering the size of our meetups now! I know that I haven't participated in online discussion as much as I'd like, and partially that's because of frustration and disappointment with Google Groups.
I would personally much prefer to see us using software that is meant to be used as a discussion forum as opposed to a mailing list for announcements. I would be more than happy to setup, host, and maintain a Discourse installation or something similar for PDX Ruby if there were interest. I'd just like something that feels a bit more community-ish, is more welcoming to newcomers, and is generally nicer to use.
Is there a way to see percentages of how people use Google Groups, and the domains registered (gmail, yahoo, etc)? I'm not convinced that creating another account on another system would be more welcoming to newcomers.
I set up http://www.meetup.com/Portland-Ruby-Brigade/ but I'm not sure how good meetup is for discussions, especially code-related discussions.
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I'd be up for trying out something else, as long as it allows for several kinds of interaction. Mainly I don't want to change how I interact, but that's just me being selfish ;-)
On Mar 14, 2015 8:11 PM, "David Celis" <m...@davidcel.is> wrote:
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> On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 5:25:41 PM UTC-7, Jesse Cooke wrote:
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>> Thoughts and questions inline below, but also:
>> Would we import discussions into the new system? Would we sunset Groups?
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> An import is certainly possible, but there wouldn't be any way to link discussion from Google Groups to a user created on the new system. They could be imported under an "anonymous" account. I think that's fine as long as the original poster's email address is displayed so that we can at least tell who posted what at a glance. And yes, my preference would be to sunset Groups aside from having multiple communities running in tandem. If people would still see a use specifically for a mailing list, we could keep it around. But I'm not sure what that use would be.
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>>> On Mar 14, 2015 5:36 PM, "David Celis" <m...@davidcel.is> wrote:
>>> Hi, friends! It's me, your friendly neighborhood David Celis. I wanted to talk to y'all about Google Groups. I can't image that this topic hasn't been brought up before. Maybe it's been a while, as evidenced by my search through past threads yielding no results. I'll just go ahead and ask, so ready your flamethrowers:
>>> How does everybody feel about continuing on with Google Groups? Are y'all satisfied with using it as our online communication mechanism? I personally haven't been a fan of it for a while, for a few reasons.
>>
>> Since I use it exclusively via email it works fine for me. Yes, the web interface isn't great, but I also don't know how many active members use it over email.
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> I'm definitely one of the people who prefers not to use email whenever possible, so I disabled any sort of digest here so that I could come to the web interface on my own terms. GG is fine and dandy for those who prefer email, but as mentioned previously Discourse does have the same sort of email notifications and reply system.
So it would be possible for me to receive an email for every new post with Discourse? I'm one of those people that prefer email over checking a site. Hopefully any new system we would potentially switch to would handle both cases.
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>>> No categorization, pinning, or setting importance of messages. The only way to do this really is doing the whole [PREFIX] thing, or making totally new mailing lists (such as we have done with pdxruby-business or pdxruby-beginners). Then we end up with either a bunch of different mailing lists or a hodgepodge of topics in the main one (which we already have).
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>> I personally haven't ever felt the need for categorization, pinning, or adjusting of levels. Are those features that get used with great effect by other forum packages?
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> That's fair, and it probably doesn't seem terribly necessary because I wouldn't consider the pdxruby mailing list to be the most active of communities. But I'd like that to change. Categorization may be something that isn't as necessary, but I would certainly appreciate the filterability of, for example, just never seeing the [JOB] posts.
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>> Also, I'm not sure how moving over to something else would help us in our organization with respect to the other lists. Seems like it would be the same as merging those other lists back into the main list, but I'd argue they should be separate beasts.
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> My point there was that because we have three mailing lists, it almost seems like we're already treating Google Groups like a discussion board with a set of forums. But I don't think that it works very well in that respect.
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>>>
>>> It's controlled by the Google Overlords! ... Okay, that's mostly a joke. But I do think that, at our current size and as we grow, perhaps we would want a tool that we do have more control over. Considering certain recent events and discussion, I think that our group is approaching needing some sort of moderation capabilities.
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>> We have moderation capabilities with the current setup, we would just prefer not to use them.
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> Fair. I think this is going to become a different conversation, though
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>>> It's just not pleasant to use. I recognize that this is merely opinion, but I imagine that Google Groups isn't the most friendly tool to lure people from our in-person meetups. I'd like to see more discussion happening online since we only meet once a month, and I'm surprised that we don't have more active conversations here considering the size of our meetups now! I know that I haven't participated in online discussion as much as I'd like, and partially that's because of frustration and disappointment with Google Groups.
>>> I would personally much prefer to see us using software that is meant to be used as a discussion forum as opposed to a mailing list for announcements. I would be more than happy to setup, host, and maintain a Discourse installation or something similar for PDX Ruby if there were interest. I'd just like something that feels a bit more community-ish, is more welcoming to newcomers, and is generally nicer to use.
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>> Is there a way to see percentages of how people use Google Groups, and the domains registered (gmail, yahoo, etc)? I'm not convinced that creating another account on another system would be more welcoming to newcomers.
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> Of that, I'm not sure. I have no idea what sort of data Google provides out of Groups. My gut feeling is "not much" but I'm not an administrator of any sort, so I don't have access to that.
Yeah, that question wasn't directed at you as much as to others that know Groups better than I do.
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I'd be up for trying out something else, as long as it allows for several kinds of interaction. Mainly I don't want to change how I interact, but that's just me being selfish ;-)
So it would be possible for me to receive an email for every new post with Discourse? I'm one of those people that prefer email over checking a site. Hopefully any new system we would potentially switch to would handle both cases.
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How does everybody feel about continuing on with Google Groups? Are y'all satisfied with using it as our online communication mechanism? I personally haven't been a fan of it for a while, for a few reasons.
- No categorization, pinning, or setting importance of messages. The only way to do this really is doing the whole [PREFIX] thing, or making totally new mailing lists (such as we have done with pdxruby-business or pdxruby-beginners). Then we end up with either a bunch of different mailing lists or a hodgepodge of topics in the main one (which we already have).
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And yes, my preference would be to sunset Groups aside from having multiple communities running in tandem. If people would still see a use specifically for a mailing list, we could keep it around. But I'm not sure what that use would be.
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I was reminded of Threadable just yesterday! Worth looking into, though I didn't see that much on their site.
Does anyone have experience using it?
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