Natural immunity vs Covid-19 vaccine-induced immunity – Marc Girardot of PANDA

[Joao Felizardo]

FYI 

https://www.biznews.com/health/2021/06/28/covid-19-vaccine-immunity

[Fanie du Plessis]

Sadly Johan Strauss owner of Steinfeld Garage near Keetmanshoop passed away last night from Corona.
His wonderful wife Inya is in a coma battling it as well... fight it Inya, fight it!!

The above from another Overland Forum post tells me to get the jab if you can, you just don't know if you will survive it in order to have natural immunity, I guess each make their decisions and live with it. 

Op Do. 1 Jul. 2021 09:55 het Joao Felizardo <jmjfel...@gmail.com> geskryf:

FYI 

https://www.biznews.com/health/2021/06/28/covid-19-vaccine-immunity

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[Joao Felizardo]

Correct ! I have lost 2 personal friends to covid 19 ; but that does not mean that I will rush to a decision now ; personal as you said ! 

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[Joao Felizardo]

In my view the immunity is either natural or induced by the vaccine(s).

I trust to address my own natural immunity first and foremost ; I am taking natural artemisia annua (which I also use for many years as a prophylactic for working /holiday overland trips) and olive leaf tincture drops ; I complement with zinc , magnesium , vit C , omega 3 ;complex vit B.

Not fond of any jabs specially being at their experimental phase ; anyway one still needs to have an informed opinion before taking any decision .

I have however also bought ivermectin and doxycycline should i fall sick and  need that in a hurry ; so prevent as much as possible within my capabilities and correct if need be but avoid to go to hospitals - that is my stand. 

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[Henk Coetzee]

Joao said: " In my view the immunity is either natural or induced by the vaccine(s)"

I have to ask. Are you a specialist on vaccines? Otherwise, your view, like mine and most of the rest of ours, is of little value.

https://theconversation.com/no-youre-not-entitled-to-your-opinion-9978

Henk

(Booked for a jab on Monday morning) Over 50s who have registered can book a jab on the Dischem website or, it appears, pitch up at a vaccine site and get their first dose). 

Or, as my one friend puts it:

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[Joao Felizardo]

No not at all ; either I have the immune system to fight the virus  or I  induce immunization via a vaccine ; that is what i believe it is ; my view and my opinion ; I dont see much  wrong  about the statement .

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[Erin Bosch]

As someone just beginning to recover from a dose of Covid, I would highly recommend you have the vaccine as soon as possible. I had a relatively mild case and it’s nor an experience I’d care to repeat anytime soon. I was man-down for almost 3 weeks, with difficulty breathing and even now, anything other than lying in bed leaves me exhausted.

 

Rest assured I will getting pricked as soon as I can. Unfortunately I am unable to take blood thinners, which are one of the most effective treatments once the disease progresses past the initial stages, requiring more aggressive treatment or hospitalisation.

 

The effects seem to vary greatly between individuals, but I have several friends and clients (mostly very healthy men in their 40s to 60s who have died of it in the last month or so. Anecdotal evidence appears to indicate that of those that get Covid, the ones that die are unvaccinated, whilst those that have had their jabs, don’t.

 

Overall experience 1/10 – don’t recommend.

 

From: overlan...@googlegroups.com <overlan...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Joao Felizardo
Sent: Friday, 02 July 2021 15:54
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Subject: Re: [Overland] Natural immunity vs Covid-19 vaccine-induced immunity – Marc Girardot of PANDA

 

No not at all ; either I have the immune system to fight the virus  or I  induce immunization via a vaccine ; that is what i believe it is ; my view and my opinion ; I dont see much  wrong  about the statement .

 

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 15:48, Henk Coetzee <coetze...@gmail.com> wrote:

Joao said: " In my view the immunity is either natural or induced by the vaccine(s)"

 

I have to ask. Are you a specialist on vaccines? Otherwise, your view, like mine and most of the rest of ours, is of little value.

 

https://theconversation.com/no-youre-not-entitled-to-your-opinion-9978

 

Henk

(Booked for a jab on Monday morning) Over 50s who have registered can book a jab on the Dischem website or, it appears, pitch up at a vaccine site and get their first dose). 

Or, as my one friend puts it:

 

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[David Bell]

Here in the U.K. most people have decided to have the jab, the AstraZeneca version manufactured in India is currently not recognised by the E.U. and up to five million Brit’s have had this jab and will not be allowed into any E.U. Country until the European Health Authorities approve it.  Sadly 64 people have died from blood clots relating to the vaccination here in the U.K. a small number proportionally to the number inoculated.  The numbers going into hospital are falling but the number of cases of the Delta version are rising even after having both injections you may catch it and be ill but hopefully recover without having to go into hospital.  My wife and I decided to have the injections and have not had any long term side effects, a sore arm for a day or two but nothing else.

Please take care and stay safe

David and Jean Bell

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[Joao Felizardo]

I have been following a number of interviews and spotted this one today ; for those interested here it is ; it is an interview via the last american vagabond channel (free speech ) ; it is an interview with dr Robert Malone one of the top experts that developed the mRNA technology ;  from minute 20 +_ he speaks about the vaccines , the sars 2 virus etc etc ; very informative in my opinion ;rgds 

https://superu.net/video/fc249b4b-6870-4b50-8691-63fc40f0d9c8 

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