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From: Abel L Packer <abel....@scielo.org>
Date: Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 6:37 PM
Subject: Fwd: SciELO in Perspective | A comment on “The big idea: should we get rid of the scientific paper?”
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Glenn et al, We are promoting a discussion on Stuart Ritchie's article in THe Guardian "The big idea: should we get rid of the scientific paper?" via SciELO in Perspective blog.
I am happy to share the first comment by Adeilton Brandon, Editor-in-chief of Memoria do Instituto Oswaldo Cruz. Any reaction is welcome and the blog is open to receive new posts commenting the article. All the best. Abel
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There are two issues here, Kaveh, both of which I have done research on.
1. Replacing the journal article
The present article has three primary components
Here is the problem
Here is what we did
Here is what we found
Proposed replacement raises four questions
What is proposed?
Why?
What is the cognitive cost?
How paid?
The cognitive cost is the extra effort required on the research's part. How paid is what other cognitive activity is cut back? Research? Proposals? Teaching?
Ritchie's proposed replacement looks very demanding. I see no consideration of the cognitive cost.
What are you proposing? You mention multiple narratives which sounds cognitively expensive. What are the supposed benefits of this extra work? What other activity should be cut back to pay for it?
2. The dynamics of the present system
It is not a few links. In the typical case there are thousands of immediately available links, in several different systems. The exploration potential is huge. I am looking at an article with about 40 references. Each is linked to Google Scholar, so for each reference article you can get all the articles that cite that article, plus the 100 semantically closest articles. So there are over 4,000 links to the immediate field, many more if there are a lot of citing articles. They also include Scopus and PMC links for many references, each with powerful exploration tools.
See https://www.thebreastonline.com/article/S0960-9776(21)00994-2/fulltext#relatedArticles
The topic is online patient educational materials, a major alternative to journal article access.
I did notice an opportunity, which is for the journal to add links to GS, etc., for the article itself when these become available.
In short it is not obvious that articles need revolutionary change.
David
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On Apr 17, 2022, at 10:11 AM, Bryan Alexander <bryan.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Very interesting, Kaveh, but your videos do not address the issues I listed. If you ever do something that does I would love to read it. I much prefer text to video because I like to stop and think, jump around in the ideas, back up, etc. (Actually the ideas necessarily jump around because expressed thought is a tree structure, but I digress.) This sort of complex cognitive interaction is difficult with video.
Note too that there already exist elaborate systems for conveying important scientific findings to lay audiences. The diffusion of scientific knowledge is a complex process, like most diffusion processes. The idea that scientists frequently need to communicate their findings directly with large numbers of non scientists is questionable in my view.