Clarification about Siemens feeder (Siplace/Schultz )

[Litterio Andrea Guainella]

Hi all,

a few days ago I managed to get some of these feeders.

They are 12 / 16mm and I was wondering if they are compatible with Bill controller. 

Removing the cover I saw that there are 3 connections so can you tell me how to drive this feeder?

As Bill mention here also this feeder drive to 30V?

This model seems AUT 5. Ref to Mike post this feeder is compatible?

In the next few days I will have the possibility to also take 2 very similar 8mm feeders (without button for config) so I wonder how I can integrate them.

LAG

[Mike Menci]

Hi LAG 

It seams to me that AUT 5 on your feeder photo has nothing with compatibility with Schultz feeders to me. This PCB on your photo has got no "brain" chip - it seams a relay with rectifier and connectors to motors only..... 

To be compatible with Bills controller PCB will need to look like this - for two feeders (tween  8mm feeders): 

I hope this helps!? 

Mike

[Mike Menci]

Or like this: 

https://www.ebay.de/itm/161361676426?hash=item2591e7c88a:g:muQAAOSwFL9Tvcjs&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAwKoI0VU3O2zAmv%2BVERYCJcBgIybbnqRhzlovl0jBHLEx6qx5pbUYPQemK0z9hYfaL4arg%2Bk8p83uk5JYTa0aMxL4gx6u77orE9gn6dYUMvH5jN5YFCApNJlg0XXMBu8jpYF%2B3nBRZvryn0%2BE%2F6cDt8gBQQYV96T6z2kl30b%2FrnHdZ9YEEGCzgenbYgGBkngErHsOj0%2FbJ18QL8CTLOu4fBcBMvZu0pCh0%2Blu2sHj5m0iKHDCKnIybpbDZ51tuB%2BcKw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5SzprrpYA

Mike

[Litterio Andrea Guainella]

Thank you Mike,

I supposed! However I am wondering if it was possible to make it work with openpnp.

In the next few days I will do several tests and post the results

LAG

[Cosyne Wave]

These are older versions of Siemens feeders, call them non-Schultz feeders.
They have normal lemo connectors and a Siplace feeder controller will drive them and they are supported on most Gen2 Siplace S and F machines. They were used on older Siemens machines like HS180 and SP120 but are usually good enough for 12/16/24/32 tapes where precision positioning and speed of the tape is not very important.
There are some Siemens AUT5 feeders even older with a bigger connector, those are supported on older Siemens machines: MS-72/90/102/128/132  

Don't know if it is supported by Bill's controller, but I think it will be possible to use an optic cell to drive them on head approach.

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[Bill Ruckman]

I think these use pulses (30V) to feed.  There is no communication.  My controller won't help you.

Bernd Walter did some work with these feeders a few years back.  See this thread: https://groups.google.com/g/openpnp/c/xOUfz1hjlAE/m/pQ2WdwV4AAAJ

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[Litterio Andrea Guainella]

Hi Bill,

I just try to drive feeder above with 12VCC and pulse with +12VCC for feed but (I should have used IMHO 12VAC):

  - when connect (at idle) +12VCC and GND from power supply nothing happen (current absorbed 0ma)

  - when pulse +12VCC to third wire (green+yellow) the motor feed infinitely (current absorbed 200ma)

  - so I powered off power supply for stop feeding

  - when try to power in for another test, the current absorbed was 400ma and PTC resistor very heat so now seems blocked or burnt

As mention Bernd in thread, him drive to 30V but I think with 30VCC (or VAC?? on board was exsist diode bridge as you can see) fried controller board.

Does this make sense?

LAG