When will we achieve Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) and when will we achieve Artificial Super Intelligence (ASI)?
Azamat Abdoullaev
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Folks, this used to be a great forum for high-quality discussions about ontology and related topics, now it has drifted into odd postings and links of questionable quality.Krzysztof
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John F Sowa
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The lack of fruitful discussions, I think, is partly due to the overwhelming amount of interesting information about projects, from OBO Foundry to Schema.org, that we now receive at the Ontology Summit meetings.
At least I need time to digest it ontologically :-)
Folks, this used to be a great forum for high-quality discussions about ontology and related topics, now it has drifted into odd postings and links of questionable quality.Krzysztof
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Azamat Abdoullaev
- Literal illiteracy
- Cultural illiteracy
- Civic illiteracy
- Racial illiteracy
- Financial illiteracy
- Numerical illiteracy
- Statistical illiteracy
- Factual illiteracy
- Scientific illiteracy
- Technological illiteracy
- Environmental illiteracy
A new sort of illiteracy pandemically affecting the academic world is the data and AI illiteracy. Each academic and researcher, engineer and developer, is happy to dig his narrow hole provided it is well-paid.
So, Real AGI is coming to take over the narrow-minded human world to fill the vacuum.
Azamat Abdoullaev
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Can anyone point to a semi-formal, actionable definition of AGI? Please don't say the Turing Test.
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Azamat,Today there seems to be no doubt that AGI is technically possible, just as since the time of Isaac Asimov there has been no doubt that it is possible in principle. Which technology will win, we will see soon.At https://www.ri.cmu.edu/videos/ there are interesting robots.Alex
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Sure. That's a simple statement that's been used for decades. There's still no measure for hire far we are from "any situation", there's still no way of knowing when we've achieved that, and there's still no way of knowing if we've achieved that whether any given change to the system will or will not preserve that condition.People have been predicting "soon" for decades. Predictions mean nothing.
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Kingsley Idehen
On 4/11/23 4:10 PM, John F Sowa wrote:
> As for ontology, the structure and design of GPT makes it impossible
> to incorporate any kind of reasoning that could evaluate the results
> that are generated. That includes any reasoning based on any ontology.
> It's irrelevant how good the ontology may be if the system that uses
> it cannot reason with or about that ontology.
results are dependent on the knowledge of the prompter :)
Excerpt from an experiment [1] triggered by this thread:
Q: Grandchildren of the entity denoted by
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_Bowes-Lyon>?
A:
Based on the given dataset, the grandchildren of Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon
(denoted by http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_Bowes-Lyon) are:
* Charles, Prince of Wales
* Anne, Princess Royal
* Prince Andrew, Duke of York
* Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex
Please note that these are the children of Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon's
daughter, Queen Elizabeth II, and not her grandchildren. The dataset
provided does not have sufficient information to determine the
grandchildren of Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon.
Q: Redo, bearing in mind that rel:parentOf is an owl:Transitive property.
A:
I apologize for the confusion. Given that rel:parentOf is an
owl:Transitive property, the grandchildren of Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon
(denoted by http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_Bowes-Lyon) are as
follows:
* Prince William of Wales
* Prince Harry of Wales
* Peter Phillips
* Zara Phillips
* Princess Beatrice of York
* Princess Eugenie of York
Q: Bearing in mind these new facts, redo:
List all siblings.
A:
Bearing in mind the new facts and considering rel:parentOf as an
owl:Transitive property, the siblings are as follows:
* Prince William and Prince Harry
* Queen Elizabeth II and Princess Margaret
* Charles, Prince of Wales; Anne, Princess Royal; Prince Andrew, Duke of
York; and Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex
Q: Sure?
A:
Apologies for the confusion in my previous response. After reevaluating
the dataset, the list of siblings is as follows:
* Prince William and Prince Harry
* Queen Elizabeth II and Princess Margaret
* Charles, Prince of Wales; Anne, Princess Royal; Prince Andrew, Duke of
York; and Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex
These sibling relationships are accurate based on the given dataset.
Links:
[1]
https://kingsley.idehen.net/DAV/home/kidehen/Public/Linked%20Data%20Documents/Playground/gptChat/prompts/british-royal-family-reasoning-and-inference.txt
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Can anyone point to a semi-formal, actionable definition of AGI? Please don't say the Turing Test.
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Alex
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Alex,
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Kingsley,
As usual, I respect your comments because you ignore the nonsense in the subject line above and focus on the concrete issues about how GPT works, what it does, and how you can make it do what you need to do.
Please note that my comment was about the limitations of GPT. You were able to get the information you wanted by repeatedly adding information: (1) use DBpedia as the source of information. (2) telling it that parentOf is transitive. (3) Bearing in mind these new facts, redo: List all siblings. (4) Redo, bearing in mind that rel:parentOf is an owl:Transitive property
A good system should have considered those options from the beginning.
Yes-ish.
In retrospect, I should have added a triple to the graph
indicating the nature of parentOf property.
I'll re-run the test.
As just one example of a much better system, please download the slides in https://jfsowa.com/talks/cogmem.pdf . The early slides go into quite a bit of detail about the system, and the references at the end go into more detail. For now, just consider the three examples in slides 44 to 63.
OpenAI offer a service that's web-accessible, but I can't test
the system you recommend if it doesn't offer a similar interaction
interface.
For starters, just look at the example of legacy re-engineering (slides 47 to 55). It was implemented in 2000, and it ran on a sever with multiple CPUs. Today, your cell phone has more computing power. But GPT even with an ontology could not do anything with that task -- or with any of the others.
By the way, we showed that example to some companies that were working on legacy re-engineering. Their response: "You took a job for which Andersen Consulting (now Accenture) estimated 80 person years and did it in 15 person weeks? Get outta here!"
Yes, but aren't you missing out on a huge opportunity by this system not being online? You told me about this whole thing eons ago :)
Kingsley
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John,
Yes-ish.
In retrospect, I should have added a triple to the graph indicating the nature of parentOf property.
I'll re-run the test.
In response to the above, I was able to eventually get GPT to pass the test, after a few iterations across new session instantiations.
Transcript:
Q: Given the following dataset, and the nature of relations defined in the TBox section.
Turtle Start
Entity Relationships
TBox
@prefix rel: http://purl.org/vocab/relationship/
.
@prefix owl: http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#
.
rel:parentOf a owl:TransitiveProperty .
Abox
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales
a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name “Prince William” ;
rel:siblingOf http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales
.
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_Bowes-Lyon
a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name “Queen Mother” ;
rel:parentOf http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom
.
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom
a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name “Queen Elizabeth II” ;
rel:parentOf http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales,http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal,
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York,
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex
;
rel:siblingOf http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Margaret,_Countess_of_Snowdon
.
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales
a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name “Prince Charles” ;
rel:parentOf http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales
, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales
.
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Margaret,_Countess_of_Snowdon
a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name “Princess Margaret” .
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal
a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name “Princess Anne” ;
rel:parentOf http://dbpedia.org/resource/Peter_Phillips,
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Zara_Phillips
.
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Zara_Phillips
a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name “Princess Zara Phillips” .
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York
a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name “Princess Beatrice” .
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York
a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name “Princess Eugenie” .
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York
a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name “Prince Andrew” ;
rel:parentOf http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York,
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York
.
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex
a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name “Prince Edward” .
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales
a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name “Prince Harry” .
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Peter_Phillips
a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name “Prince Peter Phillips” .
Turtle End
List all the
siblings.
A:
Based on the provided Turtle dataset, here is a list of all the siblings:
Prince William and Prince Harry are siblings.
Prince William: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales
Prince Harry: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales
Queen Elizabeth II and Princess Margaret are siblings.
Queen Elizabeth II: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom
Princess Margaret: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Margaret,_Countess_of_Snowdon
Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie are siblings.
Princess Beatrice: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York
Princess Eugenie: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York
These sibling relationships are identified based on the “rel:siblingOf” property in the dataset.
Q: List all the
aunties.
A:
Based on the provided Turtle dataset, here is a list of all the aunts (aunties):
Princess Anne is the aunt of Prince William and Prince Harry.
Princess Anne: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal
Prince William: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales
Prince Harry: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales
Princess Margaret is the aunt of Prince Charles, Princess Anne, Prince Andrew, and Prince Edward.
Princess Margaret: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Margaret,_Countess_of_Snowdon
Prince Charles: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales
Princess Anne: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal
Prince Andrew: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York
Prince Edward: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex
Princess Anne is the aunt of Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie.
Princess Anne: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal
Princess Beatrice: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York
Princess Eugenie: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York
These aunt relationships are identified based on the “rel:parentOf” and “rel:siblingOf” properties in the dataset, where an aunt is the sibling of a parent.
Q: Redo, grouping
aunties in easy to read form.
A:
Certainly! Here is a list of all the aunts (aunties) grouped in an easy-to-read form:
Aunt: Princess Anne (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal)
Niece/Nephew: Prince
William (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales)
Niece/Nephew: Prince Harry (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales)
Niece/Nephew: Princess Beatrice (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York)
Niece/Nephew: Princess Eugenie (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York)
Aunt: Princess Margaret (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Margaret,_Countess_of_Snowdon)
Niece/Nephew: Prince
Charles (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales)
Niece/Nephew: Princess Anne (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal)
Niece/Nephew: Prince Andrew (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York)
Niece/Nephew: Prince Edward (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex)
These aunt relationships are identified based on the “rel:parentOf” and “rel:siblingOf” properties in the dataset, where an aunt is the sibling of a parent.
Q: Redo, but for
Uncles.
A:
Certainly! Here is a list of all the uncles grouped in an easy-to-read form:
Uncle: Prince Charles (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales)
Niece/Nephew:
Princess Beatrice (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York)
Niece/Nephew: Princess Eugenie (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York)
Uncle: Prince Andrew (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York)
Niece/Nephew: Prince
William (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales)
Niece/Nephew: Prince Harry (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales)
Uncle: Prince Edward (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex)
Niece/Nephew: Prince
William (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales)
Niece/Nephew: Prince Harry (http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales)
These uncle relationships are identified based on the “rel:parentOf” and “rel:siblingOf” properties in the dataset, where an uncle is the sibling of a parent.
Comments:
The Uncles response above is incorrect, and I opted not to prompt further.
Conclusion:
CHAT-GPT is primarily useful to operators that are knowledgeable in the subject-matter domain being operated on. Basically, it will dangerously mislead anyone seeking an all-answering oracle for a vacuous mind!
Nadin, Mihai
I take YES-ish for an answer.
And I subscribe to the
Conclusion:
CHAT-GPT is primarily useful to operators that are knowledgeable in the subject-matter domain being operated on. Basically, it will dangerously mislead anyone seeking an all-answering oracle for a vacuous mind!
My attempts were in regard to the distinction between living matter and non-living matter.
Best wishes.
Mihai Nadin
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On 4/12/23 3:07 PM, John F Sowa wrote:
Kingsley,
As usual, I respect your comments because you ignore the nonsense in the subject line above and focus on the concrete issues about how GPT works, what it does, and how you can make it do what you need to do.
Please note that my comment was about the limitations of GPT. You were able to get the information you wanted by repeatedly adding information: (1) use DBpedia as the source of information. (2) telling it that parentOf is transitive. (3) Bearing in mind these new facts, redo: List all siblings. (4) Redo, bearing in mind that rel:parentOf is an owl:Transitive property
A good system should have considered those options from the beginning.
Yes-ish.
In retrospect, I should have added a triple to the graph indicating the nature of parentOf property.
I'll re-run the test.
Re-sending for better context plus cleaning up formatting issues arising from Markdown used in my initial response.
Transcript:
Q: Given the following dataset, and the nature of relations defined in the TBox section.
## Turtle Start ##
## Entity Relationships
### TBox
@prefix rel: <http://purl.org/vocab/relationship/> .
@prefix owl: <http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#> .
rel:parentOf a owl:TransitiveProperty .
### ABox
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name "Prince William" ;
rel:siblingOf <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_Bowes-Lyon> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name "Queen Mother" ;
rel:parentOf <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name "Queen Elizabeth II" ;
rel:parentOf <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales>,<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal>,
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name "Prince Charles" ;
rel:parentOf <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales> , <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Margaret,_Countess_of_Snowdon> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name "Princess Margaret" .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name "Princess Anne" ;
rel:parentOf <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Peter_Phillips>, <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Zara_Phillips> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Zara_Phillips> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name "Princess Zara Phillips" .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name "Princess Beatrice" .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name "Princess Eugenie" .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name "Prince Andrew" ;
rel:parentOf <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York>, <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name "Prince Edward" .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name "Prince Harry" .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Peter_Phillips> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name "Prince Peter Phillips" .
## Turtle End ##
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Re: [Ontology Summit] When will we achieve Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) and when will we achieve Artificial Super Intelligence (ASI)?
Joao Paulo Almeida
This committee shall be able to interview the claimed AGI system on a daily basis for one month on as many topics and methods that they consider significant.
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The guys who develop AGI are not struggling with how it will communicate, but with how to endow it with other specific abilities of the human mind, such as building a "picture" of the surrounding reality and, based on it, calculating the actions to achieve the goal. So far, this is only in its infancy at Boston Dynamics ...
So their emphasis is not on "to interview the claimed AGI system".
Moreover, and probably Barry will cross them out of AGI: a task, a goal for a robot with AGI is set by a person. Such a robot could be the perfect performer.
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Barry and Alex,
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Dear John and All Ontologists.
If discussing about what "AI" will do next 20 or 80 years is specious and useless as about anyone say here,
it seems interesting to "define" more and more précisely what is "Intelligence".
And, even if "Materialists" denies it, what let living individuals behave differntly from just a "soup" of Minerals !
"Soul", "Spirit" ... in Latin "Anima" ... What can be the word (as I often says "Set" in English or "Ensemble" in French are really the same thing because all Mathematicians agree completely about the use, (it not true for all the words, (but there are also "Software" and "Logiciel"; "Hardware" and "Matériel") for example) !)), the "Intelligence" is a "characteristic" of such "Softwares" of animals !
and then I finish to say : "Do you agree that "Ontology" can discuss about "not material things ?" ... (for me I think we can ... but seriously, step by step, and about what, as Jonn says, "Software Experts" together with "Psychologist" and "Neuroscientist" can manage !).envoyé : 14 avril 2023 à 02:42
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Alex Shkotin
I'll just quote part of their blog https://www.bostondynamics.com/resources/blog/picking-momentum:
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Thanks Alex !
I did'nt know Mally, but it sounds pretty well and useful ! So, thanks again to have give me this interesting link !!!
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I can discuss a topic like this: look this Information System can learn, in the sense "what do you mean by that?"
I'm more in favor of people finding mathematical models for a family of tasks (which we've been doing for centuries) and loading them into robots.
"SUMMATION
-The Achilles heel of ANN, which prevents their use as the basis of AGI, is distributed memory, fused with information processing.
-Modern ANNs can be useful as an AGI component.
-The need to use a symbolic approach to create AGI leads to the increased complexity of the AGI system, but it's worth it."
My way is not AGI, it is creating a formal framework for every particular theory we have (theoretical knowledge) to maintain this framework collectively one for all. The first framework would be for theory of undirected graphs, the second for Atomic physics.
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Alex,
I changed the subject line to a far more important topic for discussion..
But your comment about Boston Dynamics is disappointing -- because I was impressed with their developments of robots, and your comment implies that they are hopelessly confused: "The guys who develop AGI are not struggling with how it will communicate, but with how to endow it with other specific abilities of the human mind, such as building a "picture" of the surrounding reality and, based on it, calculating the actions to achieve the goal. So far, this is only in its infancy at Boston Dynamics ... "
The reason why they are confused:
1. Building a model or "picture" of reality and using it to guide actions is what every infant of every animal species, from fruit flies to humans, does staring from day 1. And that is also a prerequisite for any AI system that guides a society of robots..
2. All animals of any kind that live together in some kind of society have developed some ways of communicating among themselves and their neighbors about issues related to their models of reality.
3.. A society of robots must also have some method for communicating among the robots to relate their models of reality and what actions to take among the robots in connection with their models of reality.
4.. Points #1 and #2 above are identical with what infants of any animals from insects to humans do. All of them have various ways of communicating among themselves and with other species.
5.. The LLMs (Large Language Models) can be used to map any language (formal, informal, worrds, bits, gestures, etc) with any other.
5. Therefore, it's trivial to develop an LLM that would enable humans to use a human language to communicate with any kind of robots that are able to communicate among themselves..
If Boston Dynamics can't understand that argument, I can see why their plans are "only in their infancy".
In summary, the term AGI is a meaningless acronym that can only cause confusion. The sooner Boston Dynamics (or any other business that hopes to make a profit) gets rid of it, the more profitable they will be.
John
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John,
I just watch the progress of those who are involved in AGI, mainly the ongoing seminar in Russian (AGI in Russian) and visit it if the report is interesting. Patrick asked for a definition and I pulled him out of my mind "as it was written".
The guys who develop AGI are not struggling with how it will communicate, but with how to endow it with other specific abilities of the human mind, such as building a "picture" of the surrounding reality and, based on it, calculating the actions to achieve the goal. So far, this is only in its infancy at Boston Dynamics ...
Kingsley Idehen
All,
I’ve changed up the reasoning & inference experiment to include co-reference comprehension via owl:sameAs relations comprising DBpedia and Wikidata identifier pairings.
Transcript
## Turtle Start ##
## Entity Relationships
### TBox
@prefix rel: <http://purl.org/vocab/relationship/> .
@prefix owl: <http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#> .
rel:parentOf a owl:TransitiveProperty .
rel:siblingOf a owl:TransitiveProperty .
### ABox
a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name "Prince Peter Phillips" .
# Wikidata Co-references
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q36812> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q152316> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q9682> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_Bowes-Lyon> owl:sameAs <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10633> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q151754> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q153330> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Peter_Phillips> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q344908> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Zara_Phillips> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q147663> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q165709> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q165657> .
## Turtle End ##
Q: Given the
Knowledge Graph above, and the nature of relations defined in
the TBox section, present all siblings (denoted by their
Wikidata identifiers, as presented in the ABox section of the
dataset) in a markdown formatted table comprising Name and
Wikidata ID and DBpedia ID columns – represented using Markdown
in a code-block that includes ## Markdown Start ##
and ## Markdown End ##
A:
## Markdown Start ##
## Markdown End ##
Q: Repeat, but for
the entity denoted by http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274
.
A:
## Markdown Start ##
| Name | Wikidata ID | DBpedia ID |
|---|---|---|
| Queen Elizabeth II | https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9682 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom |
| Princess Margaret | (not provided) | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Margaret,_Countess_of_Snowdon |
## Markdown End ##
Wrong!!
Q: Sure, bearing in
mind the equivalence semantics of owl:sameAs attributes?
A:
Apologies for the oversight in considering the owl:sameAs
attributes. Here is the requested information formatted as a
Markdown table, listing the siblings of the entity denoted by
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274
(Prince Charles) with their names, Wikidata IDs, and DBpedia
IDs, taking into account the owl:sameAs attributes:
## Markdown Start ##
| Name | Wikidata ID | DBpedia ID |
|---|---|---|
| Queen Elizabeth II | https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9682 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom |
| Princess Margaret | (not provided) | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Margaret,_Countess_of_Snowdon |
## Markdown End ##
Wrong!!
Q: Sure?
A:
Apologies for my previous responses. I misunderstood your
request. Here is the correct information formatted as a
Markdown table, listing the siblings of the entity denoted by
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274
(Prince Charles) with their names, Wikidata IDs, and DBpedia
IDs, taking into account the owl:sameAs attributes:
## Markdown Start ##
| Name | Wikidata ID | DBpedia ID |
|---|---|---|
| Princess Anne | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q151754 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal |
| Prince Andrew | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q153330 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York |
| Prince Edward | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex |
## Markdown End ##
Q: Repeat, but for
the nieces of the entity denoted by http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920
A:
## Markdown Start ##
| Name | Wikidata ID | DBpedia ID |
|---|---|---|
| Princess Beatrice | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q165657 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York |
| Princess Eugenie | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q165709 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York |
| Zara Phillips | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q147663 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Zara_Phillips |
## Markdown End ## |
Q:
Repeat, but for Aunties – adding an Aunty Of Column for Nephews
or Nieces.
A:
Here is the requested information formatted as a Markdown
table, listing the aunties of the entity denoted by http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920
(Prince Edward) with their names, Wikidata IDs, DBpedia IDs,
and the nieces or nephews they are aunties of:
## Markdown Start ##
| Name | Wikidata ID | DBpedia ID | Auntie Of (Nephews or Nieces) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Princess Anne | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q151754 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal | Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie |
| Princess Anne | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q151754 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal | Zara Phillips |
## Markdown End ##
** Wrong !!***
Q:
Sure?
A:
** Wrong !!**
Q:
Repeat, but listing all the royal Uncles
A:
## Markdown Start ##
| Name | Wikidata ID | DBpedia ID | Uncle Of (Nephews or Nieces) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Prince Charles | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales | Prince William, Prince Harry |
| Prince Andrew | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q153330 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York | Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie |
| Prince Edward | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex | Zara Phillips, Peter Phillips |
| Prince Edward | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex | Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie |
| Prince Charles | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales | Zara Phillips, Peter Phillips |
| Prince Andrew | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q153330 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York | Zara Phillips, Peter Phillips |
## Markdown End ##
** Wrong !!!**
Q: Sure?
A:
## Markdown Start ##
| Name | Wikidata ID | DBpedia ID | Uncle Of (Nephews or Nieces) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Prince Charles | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales | Prince William, Prince Harry |
| Prince Andrew | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q153330 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York | Prince William, Prince Harry |
| Prince Edward | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex | Prince William, Prince Harry |
| Prince Charles | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales | Zara Phillips, Peter Phillips |
| Prince Andrew | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q153330 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York | Zara Phillips, Peter Phillips |
| Prince Edward | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex | Zara Phillips, Peter Phillips |
## Markdown End ##
** Wrong !!!**
Q: Repeat, but for all Grandchildren of the entity denoted by https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10633 .
A:
Here is the requested information formatted as a Markdown
table, listing all the grandchildren of the entity denoted by
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10633
(Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon) along with their names, Wikidata IDs,
and DBpedia IDs:
## Markdown Start ##
| Name | Wikidata ID | DBpedia ID |
|---|---|---|
| Prince Charles | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales |
| Princess Anne | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q151754 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal |
| Prince Andrew | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q153330 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York |
| Prince Edward | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex |
## Markdown End ##
Q: Repeat, but for all the Great Granchildren of the entity denoted by https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10633 .
A:
Here is the requested information formatted as a Markdown
table, listing all the great-grandchildren of the entity
denoted by https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10633
(Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon) along with their names, Wikidata IDs,
and DBpedia IDs:
## Markdown Start ##
| Name | Wikidata ID | DBpedia ID |
|---|---|---|
| Prince William | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q36812 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales |
| Prince Harry | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q152316 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales |
| Peter Phillips | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q344908 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Peter_Phillips |
| Zara Phillips | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q147663 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Zara_Phillips |
| Princess Beatrice | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q165657 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York |
| Princess Eugenie | http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q165709 | http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York |
## Markdown End ##
Q: Repeat, but for all the descendants of the entity denoted by http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q9682 .
A:
Here is the requested information formatted as a Markdown
table, listing all the descendants of the entity denoted by
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q9682
(Queen Elizabeth II) along with their names, Wikidata IDs, and
DBpedia IDs:
## Markdown Start ##
## Markdown End ##
Comments
Inference couldn’t accurately determine who was the uncle of whom, when query was based on Wikidata identifiers.