Re: [npa-relativity] Abridged summary of npa-relativity@googlegroups.com - 27 updates in 3 topics

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Shafiq Khan

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Hi Anderton
Yes I did participate in some weekly lectures about a decade back. There were mostly dissident physicists who were trying to convince each other that relativity is incorrect. I have done the work of finding the alternative and now I have decided that I will confront the mainstream physicists head on. I can do the thing after some time. I unfortunately am not a good orator. Besides I don't have expertise of managing talk shows and the equipment to do the talk shows. But my papers are self explanatory and need no clarification. However if there is need to clarify anything I am always available to clarify. 

With Regards 
Shafiq 

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Akinbo Ojo <ta...@hotmail.com>: Sep 04 06:07PM

Hi Carl,
Let me add a Lesson from Scenario 1, which I tried to establish in a past discussion with Stephan concerning relative motion. With the CMBR lights switched off, there will be no motion ...more
David Tombe <siri...@yahoo.com>: Sep 04 07:10PM

Hi Joe,           Apart from the fact that it was contraption physics, the counterintuitive scenarios were interesting nevertheless.
            But as regards that basic circular motion ...more
Cornelis Verhey <verhey....@gmail.com>: Sep 04 12:39PM -0700

Akinbo and all,
 
This does not demonstrates an absolute reference frame. It only
demonstrates that the CMB as an identifiable energy pattern in space-time
can be chosen as unique reference frame. ...more
Akinbo Ojo <ta...@hotmail.com>: Sep 04 07:48PM

Hi David, Joe, et.al.,
Indeed, if I recall, it was by using calculus to find the amount of force required to deviate the moon by an infinitesimal amount from its straight line tangential path till ...more
Akinbo Ojo <ta...@hotmail.com>: Sep 04 07:49PM

Cornelis,
What is your precise definition of an absolute reference frame?
Akinbo
 
________________________________
From: Cornelis Verhey <verhey....@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 4, ...more
Cornelis Verhey <verhey....@gmail.com>: Sep 04 02:08PM -0700

In *red* below from my previous email response to your inquiry.
You seem to not accept the definition without further explanation so I left
it at that.
 
From: *Cornelis Verhey* ...more
Joe Sorge <joe....@decisivedx.com>: Sep 05 12:46AM

Hi David,
 
I agree. Very good point.
 
Thank you,
Joe
 
From: David Tombe <siri...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2025 at 3:07 AM
To: Akinbo Ojo <ta...@hotmail.com>, Franklin Hu ...more
Joe Sorge <joe....@decisivedx.com>: Sep 05 12:51AM

Thank you,
Joe
 
From: David Tombe <siri...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2025 at 12:10 PM
To: Akinbo Ojo <ta...@hotmail.com>, Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>, Joe Sorge ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Sep 04 09:47PM -0400

Akinbo?
 
What are you talking about?
 
Orbital decay happens because the satellites still encounter some gas and frictional losses occur. This has nothing to do with anything the medium is doing. ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Sep 04 10:25PM -0400

Aj,
 
How can something be quantized if it isn't made of separate particles?
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Sep 3, 2025, at 11:37 PM, AJ <andre...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 
A quantized ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Sep 04 10:27PM -0400

David,
 
Then how do propose that your medium distinguish between a high tension and a low one. I know how this is easily accomplished in real particulate mediums, but you don't get to use that ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Sep 04 10:46PM -0400

The magnetic force is clearly velocity dependent. What is Wong with the explanation I have provided which is that force is linearly dependent upon the number of dipoles cut per unit time which ...more
Frank Fernandes <aith...@gmail.com>: Sep 05 08:17AM +0530

All,
 
 
The ether force balances between every planet, star and the galaxies.
Orbital motion.
I have sent this peer reviewed paper of mine several times to this group.
It is as simple as this - ...more
Carl Reiff <cre...@elgenwave.com>: Sep 05 12:42AM -0700

Hi Akinbo,
 
[Snipped.]
 
Very thoughtful.  I will insert my replies in-line and in red.
 
On 9/4/2025 4:37 AM, Akinbo Ojo wrote:
Hi Carl, et.al.,
 
When you deeply contemplate the four ...more
Carl Reiff <cre...@elgenwave.com>: Sep 05 12:43AM -0700

Hi Akinbo,
 
Same red in-lining as my previous message.
 
On 9/4/2025 4:56 AM, Akinbo Ojo wrote:
...more
Carl Reiff <cre...@elgenwave.com>: Sep 05 12:45AM -0700

Hi Akinbo,
 
More of the same (in red).
 
On 9/4/2025 11:07 AM, Akinbo Ojo wrote:
...more
Carl Reiff <cre...@elgenwave.com>: Sep 05 12:46AM -0700

Hi David,
 
[Snipped.]
 
I am going to ask this inquisitively, not argumentatively. You final
sentence says, "If gravity were to be switched off, the centrifugal
force would remain and the body ...more
Akinbo Ojo <ta...@hotmail.com>: Sep 05 09:49AM

Cornelis,
Absolute can have several meanings in English. Within the context of what is being discussed, “absolute” means a motionless standard of reference. This is contrast to other references ...more
Akinbo Ojo <ta...@hotmail.com>: Sep 05 10:19AM

Franklin,
 
If you still stand by this, “The simple answer is that in order for a particle to go into a circular path, it has to be CONSTANTLY pushed with a force to make it go that path. ...more
Akinbo Ojo <ta...@hotmail.com>: Sep 05 10:51AM

Hi Carl,
 
Re: “Did you mean to say, indistinguishable?”
 
No. I meant distinguishable. According to Sir Isaac, using several arguments and thought experiments, but working in darkness since ...more
Akinbo Ojo <ta...@hotmail.com>: Sep 05 11:14AM

Hi Carl,
 
Re: “(I don't even know what those two underlined parts mean.)”
 
Yes, I agree that the meaning may not be clear as long as it is not recognized that circular motion ALWAYS requires ...more
David Tombe <siri...@yahoo.com>: Sep 05 11:47AM

Hi Carl,            If there is neither a centripetal force nor a central force involved, then centrifugal force will not make itself known physically. It becomes a purely observational thing. ...more
Frank Fernandes <aith...@gmail.com>: Sep 05 08:44AM -0400

ALL,
*The Ether mass acceleration = gravity, g balances forces between planets
and stars.*
[image: image.png]
 
F V Fernandes
 
*On.Target Molecules Biotech Inc*
 
Website: O.TM Biotech Inc. ...more
John-Erik Persson <joer...@gmail.com>: Sep 05 01:31PM +0200

Regarding MMX:
 
- No effect in the transverse arm (wave model)
- No *observable* effect in longitudinal arm (MMX)
- Contraction of 2-way light
- Contraction of light is compensated ...more
Shafiq Khan <shaf...@gmail.com>: Sep 04 10:49PM +0530

Hi Mr. Anderton,
 
I have shown that Einstein had done 1+1=3 whereas I have shown 1+1=2. It is
as simple as that but this premise is on cosmic level that is why it could
not be pointed out before. ...more
Shafiq Khan <shaf...@gmail.com>: Sep 04 11:25PM +0530

Hi Mr. Anderton,
 
Good to know that you have got my and your vision compared by unbiased AI.
Our perspectives match so far as theories of relativity and invalidity of
Lorentz factor are concerned. ...more
r.j.an...@btinternet.com r.j.an...@btinternet.com <r.j.an...@btinternet.com>: Sep 05 11:43AM +0100

Hi Shafiq
 
Have you ever done a Saturday talk for John Chappell Natural Philosophy
society? We could do one if you like.
 
see
 
https://www.youtube.com/@JohnChappell/streams ...more
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Shafiq
  • Special relativity is built on the Lorentz transform
  • The Lorentz transform is in conflict with the wave model
  • So, special relativity is in conflict with the wave model
  • Special relativity is wrong
John-Erik


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>>The Lorentz transform is in conflict with the wave model<<<

 

 

AI says - the Lorentz transform is not in conflict with the wave model if one accepts Einstein’s postulates of special relativity—but it is in conflict with the older, mechanical ether-wave picture.

 

 

SO, maybe you are thinking of the older mechanical ether-wave model??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Shafiq

  • Special relativity is built on the Lorentz transform
  • The Lorentz transform is in conflict with the wave model
  • So, special relativity is in conflict with the wave model
  • Special relativity is wrong

John-Erik

 


 

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Hi Shafiq

 

If you have powerpoint you could write the slides in powerpoint, and I could present just that.

 

Regards

Roger

 

 

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To use Einstein to justify Lorentz is to reason in the wrong direction.
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didn't

 

talking instead about Lorentz transforms in Einstein context

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To use Einstein to justify Lorentz is to reason in the wrong direction.
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    • The Lorentz transform is in conflict with the wave model
    • Einstein's theory is based on Lorentz' mistake
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    I pointed out you must be talking about the older model (?)

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    • The Lorentz transform is in conflict with the wave model
    • Einstein's theory is based on Lorentz' mistake

      John-Erik

       


       

       

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      I am talking about my model
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      John-Erik

      Ok

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