Open Positions at Vandy

[Vincent Brown]

The Linux team at Vandy (medical side) has openings. I just have one job link at the moment though.

https://vanderbilt.taleo.net/careersection/.vu_cs/jobdetail.ftl?job=2213430&tz=GMT-05%3A00&tzname=America%2FChicago

[Kent Perrier]

Linux and OpenShift? That had better pay $150k+

On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 1:44 PM Vincent Brown <vincent.an...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Linux team at Vandy (medical side) has openings. I just have one job link at the moment though.

https://vanderbilt.taleo.net/careersection/.vu_cs/jobdetail.ftl?job=2213430&tz=GMT-05%3A00&tzname=America%2FChicago

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[Greg Donald]

On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 1:52 PM Kent Perrier <kent.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Linux and OpenShift? That had better pay $150k+

Not even with two PhDs and 30 years experience.

You can however get 7-hour workdays, 2-hour lunches, and a Dell
keyboard with Cheetos in it.

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[Tilghman Lesher]

I talked with the guy who previously had this position. His account
of his departure recalls the old adage that people don't quit jobs;
they quit managers.

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[Brian H. Ward]

Should have led with the Cheetos keyboard. Lol....

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[Kent Perrier]

Based on my 7 years working for VUMC being a unix/linux sysadmin that never happened.

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[Greg Donald]

On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 2:43 PM Kent Perrier <kent.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Based on my 7 years working for VUMC being a unix/linux sysadmin that never happened.

Based on my 4.5 years at CHGR and my 8 months at VICTR I experienced
it multiple times.

They gave me the dirtiest, most low-end computers of anywhere I've ever worked.

I took a significant pay cut to go there, I thought at the time it'd
be cool to work in genetics research. They subtracted 8 years from my
years of experience for not having a proper CS degree, then later
asked me to slow down when I outperformed the other properly trained
developers in my department. I tried to get more money a couple of
times but was denied. I got the standard 2.5% each year, the same
they gave everyone.

My first grant-based project was scheduled for 11 months, about 150
form fields spread across 7 or 8 pages. No clue who thought it would
take 11 months but I completed it with about 10 months to spare and
never broke a sweat. I sat there for the next two months waiting to
find out what they wanted me to work on next. I began spending my
days teaching myself Android Java and started launching apps into what
would later become the Google Play Store.

This same theme repeated itself for several more years until I wanted
more money and so I left. At the time they paid about 50% of what I
can get in the non-academic world. No one in the real world cares
about CS degrees, they only care if you can do the work. I mean, I
get it... when you're in the business of selling quarter of a million
dollar CS degrees you don't want it to get out that people without one
can make money too.

I only talked to my manager about once every 6 weeks, usually when we
just happened to be walking in from the parking garage at the same
time. Vandy is a great place to work if you don't want to be pushed
too hard. The hard part for me was the boredom and the fake smiles
from people who thought they were working hard.

My 8 months at VICTR was when I returned as a rehire, to recover from
startup burnout. I had just spent close to 5 years working 60+ hour
weeks as the only developer at a 4-person startup. We had been bought
out recently and I was ready for a break, but I wanted cheap health
insurance. I knew Vandy would be a great place to recover, and it
was. It sucked ironing a shirt every morning, but it was a paid
recovery.

This was my Vandy experience, I'm sure others vary.


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[Kent Perrier]

IMO, that is the difference between research and patient care with the medical center. When it's literally patent's lives on the line, stakes (and the pressure) are a bit higher. I have no idea what it's like since VUMC split from the University.

Kent

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[Dagmar d'Surreal]

Hahahah is all I have to say about that.

On Tue, Nov 1, 2022, 1:44 PM Vincent Brown <vincent.an...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Linux team at Vandy (medical side) has openings. I just have one job link at the moment though.

https://vanderbilt.taleo.net/careersection/.vu_cs/jobdetail.ftl?job=2213430&tz=GMT-05%3A00&tzname=America%2FChicago

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[Michael L]

I seem to benefit from just about every NLUG email.  Good insight in case I ever need a different job.

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[Dagmar d'Surreal]

VUMC resources have been managed separately from the University for *quite* some time now, and the University drove all their Linux admins away years ago.  Full disclosure: *I* was the last man out of there, after they had me being the sole 24/7 on-call for the entire unix environment for three and a half months.  They were seriously expecting *one* person to manage that, because they didn't even make an offer on the other open positions until they saw me apply for a transfer out and realized it would leave them with zero experienced admins. I *still* have sleeping issues from that.

The folks working in smaller departments and research groups have fewer annoyances, but you probably do not want to work directly for Vanderbilt because of the ridiculous nonsense you'll have to put up with.

I spent almost ten years working for those clowns, and most of the time management acted like I had been using Ubuntu for about a six months or somesuch (six plus years of solid experience with heavy security and architecture emphasis when I *started* working for them).  The only thing that really kept me coming in the door towards the end was that the various departments were a continuous source of interesting problems, ...because it certainly wasn't the compensation.  The place is toxic and does not respect skill or acumen.

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[Michael Chaney]

My only actual day job was working for Indiana University 30 years ago.  It's actually amazing to find that a private university is ran as badly as a state university, but that experience sounds pretty much spot on.  Either that, or IU would have had 5 incompetent people attempting to do the job.

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[Paul Boniol]

Note there is a big difference between VU and VUMC. I'm not in IT proper anymore, and have limited experience outside my work experience. When I started at VU, I heard VUMC was a pretty toxic place to work in comparison. However, a few years back, Vanderbilt unified IT operations across both, to some degree merging services under one umbrella. Things may have improved on the MC side during those years.(?) Then there was a legal separation, that took a few years to work out, but the One IT philosophy may have shaken things up on the MC side.

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[Kent Perrier]

I worked on the med center unix/linux team when that merger happened. We spent a long time merging everything together, unifying the environment. I left (the only chance for a promotion was someone dying) in 2012. (Wow, it's been 10 years?!?) In 2016 the med center separated from the university. Accoding to former co-workers, they had to rip everything apart and employees had to choose a side, VU or VMC.

I have no idea what it is like now, but if it's the same folks in charge (I hope not) I wouldn't work there.

Kent

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[Vincent Brown]

I know there's a long history between Vandy and NLUG. There have been recent management changes, particularly in the Linux workgroup and the new management is working hard to improve things. If you are considering a new position, I encourage you to apply. The interview process is a good opportunity for you to consider whether VUMC, the leadership, team, and compensation is a good fit for you just as it is for VUMC to consider whether you would be a good fit. It's also a good opportunity to voice any concerns you might have. You don't have anything to lose by applying.

I have the same managers over my own department and work well with them.