Signal flow in a Neotek Elite

[Ron Flack]

Hey all, I'm trying to confirm the default patchbay configuration for a Neotek Elite.  

When we reconfigured our off board patchbay setup we lost the meters.  We only get meters when we patch from signal from Bus out [P7] to either Line in [ P9 ] or Bus Return [ P14 ].

As I understand it, signal flow is preamp signal must be leveled up on the source fader, assigned to a buss out.   The bus out signal after visiting the recording device is returned ... then we get meters.

This doesn't seem intuitive ... Any suggestions would be appreciated.   This is our current patch bay configuration ... 

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Live Room Mic lines == [Patchbay Normals] == Neotek Mic inputs [ P8 ]

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INSIDE THE CONSOLE:  Preamp gain >  Inserts & EQ > Source Fader > Bus Assignment

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Neotek Bus out [ P7 ] == [Patchbay Normals] == UAD Apollo A/D Converters [INPUTS] 

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UAD Apollo D/A Converters [OUTPUTS]  >>  [Patchbay Normals]  >> Neotek Line in == P9

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INSIDE THE CONSOLE:  Line gain > Meters > Monitor Fader > Master Fader

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Neotek 2bus out  [ 25 & 26 ] == [ Patchbay Normals ] == Mastering 2 bus Converter

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Module key:

Pin Connectors Modules 1-26 Modules 27-40

P6 Sub Out  (Sub to 16)

P7 Bus Out (PB Dir out*)

P8 Mic Input (PB Mic input)

P9 Line Input (PB line input)

P10 Insert Return (PB Insert Return)

P11 Insert Send (PB insert Send)

P19 25v 18v 18v 45v  (connected on modules 4, 12, 20 29, 39)

P14 Bus Return (PB Bus Return) 

P15 Meter 

P16 Fader 

[Robert Stevens]

The default behavior for the channel VUs is to monitor whatever is selected on the Alps Fader shown in the picture above headers P14-P16.  So with all buttons up, that means the line inputs are monitored.  

[Robert Stevens]

Also, when bus button is selected on the small fader, you can monitor what is on the bus on the channel VUs. However (and unfortunately), this does not work with the Mic button is pressed.  There really is no direct way to monitor the Mic inputs on the channel VU meters.  I'm sure there are mods to overcome this, but it really has never been that much of an issue as my tape machine has input VUs as well as any DAW can monitor input level. Still is annoying though.

[James Paul]

On my Elite, there is a toggle switch, roughly between the small fader and the pan knob, that allows me to switch the meter source between the small fader source or main fader source. Any input chosen with the push buttons appears as I would expect on the channel meter. This includes the microphone input.

Best regards,

JP

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[Ron Flack]

Thank you Steve and JP for your feedback.  Much appreciated.

[Robert Stevens]

After reading JPs response, I took a look at the schematics (clip attached).  I was completely wrong about where the channel VU meter gets its source.  However, I still see no path to get the Mic input to show up on the channel meter, except for the modification that has been done to JPs board.

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[ik...@zimbelaudio.com]

There's another mod that I have seen in one of my client's desks, on a few modules that he bought to make up for some missing ones. I have never traced this out, but it involves 3 resistors that join together at one end which then goes to the meter send Molex header. Presumably it is picking off the signal at all three possible points (Mic, Line, Bus) so that the meter is always active.

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