Nixie clock with the CT7001/FCM7001 chip?

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Dekatron42

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Apr 17, 2019, 2:11:41 PM4/17/19
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I've come across a few of the CT7001/FCM7001 clock chips which were designed to be used with LED displays and I've been looking for a Nixie clock design with this chip but I haven't found any yet - does anyone here know about such a circuit diagram?

/Martin

Tomasz Kowalczyk

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Apr 17, 2019, 4:18:29 PM4/17/19
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W dniu środa, 17 kwietnia 2019 20:11:41 UTC+2 użytkownik Dekatron42 napisał:
I've come across a few of the CT7001/FCM7001 clock chips which were designed to be used with LED displays and I've been looking for a Nixie clock design with this chip but I haven't found any yet - does anyone here know about such a circuit diagram?

/Martin

I think only Panaplex tubes (or the very rare 7-segment round tubes)  would be usable. This chip has 7-segment display integrated in it, decoding it to 10 open collector/drain driver would require a large logic circuit or an Arduino or other uC. But then using this chip would make little to no sense.
The CT7002 has BCD output, which would make it much easier. 

So, shortly speaking - for driving normal nixie tubes you need to get CT7002 to avoid complications.
But if you decide to go 7-segment, there is few schematics in this datasheet of how to drive plasma displays (panaplex) or fluorescent (VFD). 
You could also go for the old type LEDs - low brightness, but beautiful shade of red - something like displays from this page:

Funny thing is it uses negative supply! So crossing this with any other logic (for example, 74141 for CT7002) will require careful designing...

Dekatron42

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Apr 17, 2019, 4:35:37 PM4/17/19
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Thanks, I hadn't seen that datasheet, that helps a lot as I've only got a two page datasheet before and a few simple (poor) circuit diagrams.

I was thinking of using a three 74LS138 and one and gate to decode the 7-segment to 10 outputs and then ten MPSA42s, or the 74C915 (a complete 7-segment to BCD decoder) and a 74141.

I did recently buy and old Nixie clock with the MM5311N, the prototype that Åke Holm (a tube collector in Sweden, callsign SM5CBW) made in the 70s for the Swedish magazine Radio & Television, link here: http://www.sm5cbw.se/sm5cbw/rt/7212.htm and now when I got these FCM7001 I thought of making a few more Nixie clocks with a similar design - maybe I'll be able to pull that off now with the datasheet you linked to.

/Martin

Bill Notfaded

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Apr 17, 2019, 6:56:14 PM4/17/19
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These ics work great with numitron tubes.

Bill Notfaded

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Apr 17, 2019, 6:57:06 PM4/17/19
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They'd also work great with these new 7 segment Nixie a couple of us just got.
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Bill Notfaded

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Apr 17, 2019, 7:15:03 PM4/17/19
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Any you want to part with lmk?

Bill Notfaded

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Apr 17, 2019, 9:13:04 PM4/17/19
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It'd be neat to find some MM5314N lying around for a decent price too... Some neat old chips. I found some but they're like 20$ each.

Bill

jf...@my-deja.com

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Apr 18, 2019, 12:17:43 PM4/18/19
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I built three six-digit clocks using that chip and B7971 nixies.  I was inspired by the article “Behold the Giant Nixie Clock - using a minimum of new parts” that appeared on page 70 of the July 1976 issue of 73 magazine.  This can be found on the internet.  That was more than 40 years ago, and all three clocks have continued working with zero nixie failures, one failed power transformer, two failed electrolytic capacitors, and one failed CT7001 chip.

 

From memory, here are some important differences from the article:

 

The magazine article used a MM5314 clock chip.  The polarities and levels for the digit and segment drives are different in the CT7001 (common cathode versus common anode configurations), but it was straightforward to do the necessary level shifting and polarity inversion.  You need to study the data sheets for the two chips.  I vaguely recall that my design involved discrete transistors and cascode amplifiers, but that TI later came out with suitable HV drivers (75468).

 

I did document my circuit, but after 40+ years and several moves, I doubt that I could find it.  Since the clocks all continued to work with only easy and obvious repairs, I was never motivated to refer to it.

 

The MM5314 derives its timing from the mains.  Using the circuit in the data sheet, it tends to run fast; I think that is because it is susceptible to counting any noise spikes on the power line (this might be reduced by adding a low-pass filter onto the line reference input).  The CT7001 can run slightly fast or slightly slow, depending on the MUX frequency; I believe that it uses a PLL and the free‑running frequency of the display MUX pulls it.  If I were to do it over again, I would use a variable resistor to set the MUX rate and adjust it to minimize the drift.

 

Both of these chips “forget” after a power outage, but the CT07001 will try to keep time if there is a battery backup by using its internal MUX oscillator.  As far as I know, there is no shortcut in either chip to set the time directly, so you have to go through the whole procedure of incrementing each digit from its initial state.

 

One additional feature of the CT7001 is the 365-day calendar.  It does not automatically do February 29, but setting it manually makes you good for the next four years.

 

The nixies in all of my clocks produce acoustic noise and RFI at the MUX rate.  Someone suggested it was from my switching power supply, but this explanation was unlikely since I used linear power supplies and the noise was clearly emanating from the tubes.

 

I was roundly criticized for using the B7971 as “only” seven-segment displays since they were so expensive and capable of so much more, while the critics considered seven-segment displays to be ugly.  When I bought mine, they were $1 each (including sockets) and were cheaper than Monsanto MAN-1 displays.

 

An interesting (to me) alternative would be to find a CT7002 and use a 74141 to drive regular nixies with formed characters.  A more ambitious approach would be to use a CT7001 and build a seven-segment-to-BCD decoder (this would be an interesting exercise for the student, and I can think of at least two different approaches).

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