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Mike Mitchell
Sep 17, 2015, 8:20:59 AM9/17/15
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I'd really like to see Ahmed's clock before passing judgment. For all we know it could look like this Chronulator:
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 3:48 AM, <neoni...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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petehand <pete...@gmail.com>: Sep 16 02:17AM -0700
Although nothing should surprise me by now about the insanity of the
American school system, this one touches a nerve. A kid - a young teenager
- made a clock of his own design, took it to school, and found himself in
police custody accused of making a fake terrorist bomb - a "movie bomb".
Maybe it wouldn't have happened if he'd used nixies instead of 7 segment
displays, as then the morons at his school might have asked him what it was
instead of instantly recognizing it as a deadly bomb like the ones they've
seen in Hollywood movies. Way to go, teachers, for discouraging him from
ever doing anything creative like that again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE
Nick <ni...@desmith.net>: Sep 16 04:41AM -0700
...also http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34266389
Nick
On Wednesday, 16 September 2015 10:17:55 UTC+1, petehand wrote:
Andy Williams <andywi...@pobox.com>: Sep 16 10:00AM -0500
I saw that on the local news last night. (I live in the Dallas/Fort Worth area of Texas.) It sounds like the school district is trying to hide behind a general statement about protecting students and the Irving police department is blaming the victim. Here’s a more detailed local news story. http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/article35430726.html <http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/article35430726.html>
If Ahmed had brought a nixie clock to school, would he have been accused of making a time machine?
I would like to add that when I went to high school in Texas in the early 1970s, I brought an LED clock to electronics class. I wasn’t arrested, suspended or had the clock confiscated.
Mich...@aol.com: Sep 16 12:30PM -0400
Without going into a long email...
We don't know what the device looks like! We don't even know if it was
counting down or working at all.
A claim is that he couldn't call his parents, because he was being
searched the entire time. We do have to realize that his parents were called long
before he even got to the police station, so that would have been on their
way. Very rough to say he wasn't allowed to call them, cause they were
probably on their way or even there before he arrived. We also don't know
what questions were asked or the answers he provided.
It's very possible that they asked... could it be used as a timer for a
bomb and he could have honestly answered that it could be (just like any timer
or even wrist watch). We simply don't know.
The major issue here for me is, I hate seeing the race card pulled every
damn time something happens or is done by anyone but white. If anything
happens, it's a 'hate' crime to the media - race or sexual orientation, etc
just so that it gains media attention.
Also, as for Nixie clock and school. My son (14 now) built a kit last
year for a kind of show and tell. Although not considered a bomb, they
wouldn't let him, because it was "High Voltage" and considered dangerous. My son
is white, so I couldn't pull the race card. Also, not gay, so couldn't
call it out as a hate crime / prejudice thing either.
Also, I would MUCH rather a clock (movie bomb) real or not be taken away.
Too many kids dying in schools by people NOT doing anything about it. How
many kids go to school to get shot up while someone had prior knowledge
that could have prevented the entire issue. Take a $10 clock vs losing
possible many kids to a bomb. (Note, he was warned not to show it to anyone
else, but still did. - another warning ignored.)
Michail
In a message dated 9/16/2015 8:00:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
andywi...@pobox.com writes:
I saw that on the local news last night. (I live in the Dallas/Fort Worth
area of Texas.) It sounds like the school district is trying to hide behind
a general statement about protecting students and the Irving police
department is blaming the victim. Here’s a more detailed local news story.
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/article35430726.html
If Ahmed had brought a nixie clock to school, would he have been accused
of making a time machine?
I would like to add that when I went to high school in Texas in the early
1970s, I brought an LED clock to electronics class. I wasn’t arrested,
suspended or had the clock confiscated.
On Sep 16, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Nick <_n...@desmith.net_
(mailto:ni...@desmith.net) > wrote:
...also http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34266389
Nick
On Wednesday, 16 September 2015 10:17:55 UTC+1, petehand wrote:
Although nothing should surprise me by now about the insanity of the
American school system, this one touches a nerve. A kid - a young teenager -
made a clock of his own design, took it to school, and found himself in police
custody accused of making a fake terrorist bomb - a "movie bomb". Maybe it
wouldn't have happened if he'd used nixies instead of 7 segment displays,
as then the morons at his school might have asked him what it was instead
of instantly recognizing it as a deadly bomb like the ones they've seen in
Hollywood movies. Way to go, teachers, for discouraging him from ever doing
anything creative like that again.
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?https://www.y_
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE)
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Jeff Walton <jwalt...@gmail.com>: Sep 16 11:36AM -0500
Way too much speculation here...
People sometimes fear what they don't understand.
Jeff
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From: Michail1 via neonixie-l <neoni...@googlegroups.com>
Date: 09/16/2015 11:30 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: neoni...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Make a clock, go to jail
Without going into a long email...
We don't know what the device looks like! We don't even know if it
was counting down or working at all.
A claim is that he couldn't call his parents, because he was being
searched the entire time. We do have to realize that his parents were
called long before he even got to the police station, so that would have been on
their way. Very rough to say he wasn't allowed to call them, cause they
were probably on their way or even there before he arrived. We also don't
know what questions were asked or the answers he provided.
It's very possible that they asked... could it be used as a timer for a
bomb and he could have honestly answered that it could be (just like any timer
or even wrist watch). We simply don't know.
The major issue here for me is, I hate seeing the race card pulled every
damn time something happens or is done by anyone but white. If anything
happens, it's a 'hate' crime to the media - race or sexual orientation, etc just
so that it gains media attention.
Also, as for Nixie clock and school. My son (14 now) built a kit last
year for a kind of show and tell. Although not considered a bomb, they
wouldn't let him, because it was "High Voltage" and considered dangerous.
My son is white, so I couldn't pull the race card. Also, not gay, so
couldn't call it out as a hate crime / prejudice thing either.
Also, I would MUCH rather a clock (movie bomb) real or not be taken
away. Too many kids dying in schools by people NOT doing anything about
it. How many kids go to school to get shot up while someone had prior
knowledge that could have prevented the entire issue. Take a $10 clock vs
losing possible many kids to a bomb. (Note, he was warned not to show it
to anyone else, but still did. - another warning ignored.)
Michail
In a message dated 9/16/2015 8:00:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
andywi...@pobox.com writes:
I saw
that on the local news last night. (I live in the Dallas/Fort Worth area of
Texas.) It sounds like the school district is trying to hide behind a general
statement about protecting students and the Irving police department is
blaming the victim. Here’s a more detailed local news story. http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/article35430726.html
If Ahmed had brought a nixie clock to school, would he have been accused
of making a time machine?
I would like to add that when I went to high school in Texas in the early
1970s, I brought an LED clock to electronics class. I wasn’t arrested,
suspended or had the clock confiscated.
On Sep 16, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Nick <ni...@desmith.net> wrote:
...also http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34266389
Nick
On Wednesday, 16 September 2015 10:17:55 UTC+1, petehand
wrote:
Although nothing should surprise me by now about the insanity
of the American school system, this one touches a nerve. A kid - a young
teenager - made a clock of his own design, took it to school, and found
himself in police custody accused of making a fake terrorist bomb - a
"movie bomb". Maybe it wouldn't have happened if he'd used nixies instead
of 7 segment displays, as then the morons at his school might have asked
him what it was instead of instantly recognizing it as a deadly bomb like
the ones they've seen in Hollywood movies. Way to go, teachers, for
discouraging him from ever doing anything creative like that
again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE
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Instrument Resources of America <IRACO...@HUGHES.NET>: Sep 16 09:51AM -0700
On 9/16/2015 8:00 AM, Andy Williams wrote:
> http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/article35430726.html
> If Ahmed had brought a nixie clock to school, would he have been
> accused of making a time machine?
Only if he was driving a DeLorean!!!! (Just think of the movie "Back To
The Future") Ira.
David Forbes <dfo...@dakotacom.net>: Sep 16 10:12AM -0700
Andy,
Curious, I had the same reaction you got when I brought a home made
clock to school as a teen. "Gee, that's interesting!" I had put it in a
nice wood-grain box, so as not to arouse suspicion.
I did eventually get in trouble by bringing a key to school that would
open all the PE combo locks, but that was after a year and a half of
having the key, and the assistant principal said their locksmith told
them that it couldn't be done.
You don't get into education by being clever.
On 9/16/15 8:00 AM, Andy Williams wrote:
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David Forbes <dfo...@dakotacom.net>: Sep 16 10:18AM -0700
Michail,
How many children have brought a homemade explosive device to school
that looked like a clock, in the history of the world? I've never heard
of that happening, ever. On the other hand, I personally have brought
several homemade electronic devices to school that were not bombs.
The problem is not the kids, it's that school officials think that what
they see in Hollywood movies is real.
On 9/16/15 9:30 AM, Michail1 via neonixie-l wrote:
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David Forbes, Tucson AZ
Mich...@aol.com: Sep 16 01:48PM -0400
The same was probably said about guns vs toy guns, until it actually
started happening.
Michail
In a message dated 9/16/2015 10:18:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dfo...@dakotacom.net writes:
Michail,
How many children have brought a homemade explosive device to school
that looked like a clock, in the history of the world? I've never heard
of that happening, ever. On the other hand, I personally have brought
several homemade electronic devices to school that were not bombs.
The problem is not the kids, it's that school officials think that what
they see in Hollywood movies is real.
Nicholas Stock <nick...@gmail.com>: Sep 16 11:06AM -0700
If it looked anything like this, then maybe they might have been concerned..
http://www.denkimono.com/products/timer/
However, I'll refrain from making any judgements on what appears to be
alarmist and heavy-handed tactics used at the school until all the facts
are in...I've personally taken nixie tube clocks through security at a
couple of Airports now (gifts for friends and family) and apart from a
couple of raised eyebrows and 'man, they look cool' comments from TSA
agents (after they've looked at them and understood *what they are*),
there's been no issue....yet.
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"Dan Harboe Burer" <d...@post.tele.dk>: Sep 16 08:51PM +0200
What a crazy story..poor kid..and silly teacher/school... There’s a bigger chance that a cell phone will explode, rather than his clock..
..maybe I should take this thing, with me in the train, to work tomorrow, and see what happens?
Dan
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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:17 AM
To: neonixie-l
Subject: [neonixie-l] Make a clock, go to jail
Although nothing should surprise me by now about the insanity of the American school system, this one touches a nerve. A kid - a young teenager - made a clock of his own design, took it to school, and found himself in police custody accused of making a fake terrorist bomb - a "movie bomb". Maybe it wouldn't have happened if he'd used nixies instead of 7 segment displays, as then the morons at his school might have asked him what it was instead of instantly recognizing it as a deadly bomb like the ones they've seen in Hollywood movies. Way to go, teachers, for discouraging him from ever doing anything creative like that again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE
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"Tidak Ada" <off...@zeelandnet.nl>: Sep 16 10:55PM +0200
What about a doll made out of Semtex? >:)
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eric
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What a crazy story..poor kid..and silly teacher/school... There's a bigger
chance that a cell phone will explode, rather than his clock..
..maybe I should take this thing, with me in the train, to work tomorrow,
and see what happens? Smiley med tungen ud af munden
Dan
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Subject: [neonixie-l] Make a clock, go to jail
Although nothing should surprise me by now about the insanity of the
American school system, this one touches a nerve. A kid - a young teenager -
made a clock of his own design, took it to school, and found himself in
police custody accused of making a fake terrorist bomb - a "movie bomb".
Maybe it wouldn't have happened if he'd used nixies instead of 7 segment
displays, as then the morons at his school might have asked him what it was
instead of instantly recognizing it as a deadly bomb like the ones they've
seen in Hollywood movies. Way to go, teachers, for discouraging him from
ever doing anything creative like that again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE
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Quixotic Nixotic <nixc...@jsdesign.co.uk>: Sep 16 10:11PM +0100
On 16 Sep 2015, at 21:55, Tidak Ada wrote:
> What about a doll made out of Semtex?
When asked at a UK airport if I had packed anything I shouldn't, a few years back, I mentioned marzipan. The officer said any more cracks like that and I would not be flying anywhere. He was really vicious about it.
John S
Instrument Resources of America <IRACO...@HUGHES.NET>: Sep 16 02:23PM -0700
A LOT of the security folks at all airports have ""ZERO"" sense of
humor. I have not a clue how they make it through the day, or what their
after work lives must be like. Ira.
On 9/16/2015 2:11 PM, Quixotic Nixotic wrote:
Wayne de Geere <wa...@degeere.com>: Sep 16 02:58PM -0700
Mark Zuckerberg posted this today to Facebook:
"You’ve probably seen the story about Ahmed, the 14 year old student in Texas who built a clock and was arrested when he took it to school.
Having the skill and ambition to build something cool should lead to applause, not arrest. The future belongs to people like Ahmed.
Ahmed, if you ever want to come by Facebook, I'd love to meet you. Keep building."
I also asked my friends at BoingBoing to cover it as well:
http://boingboing.net/2015/09/16/making-while-brown-texas-scho.html?utm_source=moreatbb&utm_medium=nextpost&utm_campaign=nextpostthumbnails
And the school district doubled down, asking parents to report anything that scares them, assuming that to be smart young men of brown shade who are makers:
http://www.irvingisd.net/cms/lib010/TX01917973/Centricity/Domain/9/ParentLetter_SuspiciousLookingItematMacArthur.pdf?utm_content=bufferfca92&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
bb spoofs Apple in the garage history "Man of Syrian descent found in garage building what looks like a bomb" (the Apple I):
http://boingboing.net/2015/09/16/arab-looking-man-of-syrian-des.html
And President Obama invites boy who was arrested for making clock to the Whitehouse:
http://boingboing.net/2015/09/16/president-obama-invites-the-bo.html
I'd say when the kid is compared to Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak and the President of the U.S. Invites the kid, that the idiots who did this have effectively been spanked.
I'd think more about the kid's opportunity for a lawsuit for the false arrest and impingement to his character, the future lifetime of lost income, etc. by having his character assailed by Idocracy morons at the school and in the local law enforcement, etc etc.
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Per Jensen
Sep 17, 2015, 8:44:15 AM9/17/15
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This is how it looks:
On 17 Sep 2015, at 14:20, Mike Mitchell <dunda...@gmail.com> wrote:I'd really like to see Ahmed's clock before passing judgment. For all we know it could look like this Chronulator:
<CUT>
Clarke Payne
Sep 17, 2015, 8:44:49 AM9/17/15
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The point you all or y'all missed is we live in a quasi police state.
"If you see something, say something! " Everyone is encouraged to provide the 'man' info on anyrhing.
I do not doubt that to someone unfamiliar with homemade devices of any kind much less electronic that it was 'remarkable'. Thus causing the need to report it.
I don't care what color or ethnicity the kid was the fact has been drummed into school people especially to report things which 'look dangerous'.
None of these people would have been able to cope with the time I grew up. Heck we even took our .22 rifles to school on occasion. No conclusion but yes race card.
Clarke
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