Oudie 2 vs Lite

[Peter]

Can anyone clarify exactly what the impact is of having the Lite vs the regular 2?

From what I've seen the Lite is the same hardware but doesn't have a lifetime license.
I think this means that you'd need to pay for the annual SeeYou subscription to keep it operating?

What puzzles me is that I've seen a Lite that doesn't have an active subscription and hasn't been used for a couple of years start up, get updated to latest airspace etc. and display apparently like normal. So I'm not sure what the effect of not having a current subscription is.

Thanks

[Paul Remde]

Hi Peter,

The Oudie 2 Lite does use the same hardware as the Oudie 2.   An Oudie 2 Lite becomes and Oudie 2 if you purchase a Lifetime license for SeeYou Mobile.  However, licensing has changed since then.  Now, you just need to have a current SeeYou Subscription to get a key to enable SeeYou Mobile for the year.

https://www.cumulus-soaring.com/store/naviter-seeyou-subscription

The Oudie 2 Lite will function normally without a license, except that you will get annoying reminders to buy a license every few minutes.

You can check the status of the unit's license by going to Menu, Next, About.

You can check your existing SeeYou Subscription status here: https://myaccount.seeyou.cloud/subscription.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde

Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

[Peter]

Thanks Paul,

that explains it all very clearly.

I really dislike buying hardware that is effectively crippled unless paying for an ongoing software subscription, so the Lite is not for me.

Probably one day I'll feel compelled to get on the annual license roundabout, but not yet.

I'll keep looking for a cheap knockabout Oudie 2. Anyone know of one in Oz?

Peter

[Eric Greenwell]

I suggest you set aside your dislike for subscription based equipment, and switch to Naviter Navigator running a phone. My primary flight computer is an Oudie N (which uses Navigator),  I also use Navigator on my Samsung S8 as backup (it works well on my iPhone 16, too); newer phones are even brighter. For $60 a year, you have a regularly updated/upgraded flight computer with a far higher resolution screen than the Oudie (which I also have, but no longer use), and the other benefits of the Naviter subscription.

Note: Navigator does not have every feature Oudie 2 does, so be sure it has the features you use. New features are added regularly, however. 

[Tony Condon]

Why would I switch to a yearly subscription for fewer features?

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[Eric Greenwell]

Navigator running on a phone has different features than the Oudie 2, not fewer (lots of overlap, of course). These are some of the ones important to me:

• A much higher resolution display (2Mpixel vs 0.3Mpixel) that is so easy to read, and can display much more information
• Current satellite imagery in sharp detail
• Skysight overlays
  
• Sending and receiving files (tasks, logs, airspace updates, etc) directly from Navigator's phone, - no fussing with hot spots on another phone, or hoping the airport wifi is working.
  

I haven't flown contests or record attempts with it, so I don't know anything about those features, or what, if anything, is missing. Features are added every month or two, even during our winter, so be sure to use a current list for any decisions. Oudie 2 is not being updated or upgraded.

The SeeYou Cloud (part of the device subscription) has some useful features, too, in addition to it's integration with Navigator.

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[Peter]

I get that Navigator on a phone has plenty of nice shiny features compared to an ageing Oudie 2 and I've heard the same suggestion from other highly credible sources, but:

* I have heard too many stories of phones overheating and shutting down, or having to put cludgy cardboard sunshields, or landing out and finding your phone is almost flat. 

* I kind of prefer to keep my phone sitting in my pocket where it might hopefully remain even if I have to hop out of the glider under parachute.

* I can probably pick up an Oudie2 for a small fraction of the cost of a 'recommended' phone and it's a known quantity. Might not have all the features, might not be the greatest screen, might need a few extra hoops jumped through to download, and so on, but what it does 'just works', I like that a lot.

Getting an Oudie Lite requiring a subscription when the hardware itself is getting to the point that I imagine Naviter will eventually pull software support completely seems a really poor choice, so no Oudie Lite for me.

I've already run up against some of the shortcomings of the Oudie2, and they are mildly annoying, but not such a big deal in the scheme of things.

[Eric Greenwell]

Notes below in Blue.

On 1/13/2025 10:14 PM, Peter wrote:

I get that Navigator on a phone has plenty of nice shiny features compared to an ageing Oudie 2 and I've heard the same suggestion from other highly credible sources, but:

* I have heard too many stories of phones overheating and shutting down, or having to put cludgy cardboard sunshields, or landing out and finding your phone is almost flat.

I avoided most of the heat related problems, even at places like Ely, NV, in the summer, by putting a 12V, 40mm square fan on the mount for my iPhone 6+. A switch selected on/low-speed/high-speed. On the ground, I put a light, white cotton fabric cover on it, so the sun didn't heat it up. I now use an Oudie N for my primary flight computer, using older phone for backup (Samsung S8, $100 refurbished on the Walmart website - gorgeous screen), and don't have the fan, since it doesn't need one in flight where the air is cooler.

 

* I kind of prefer to keep my phone sitting in my pocket where it might hopefully remain even if I have to hop out of the glider under parachute.

I agree completely: the phone and your inReach, Spot, whatever, should be on you. My iPhone 16 is kept in a zippered pocket on my pants, and I chose the 16 because it can send text messages via satellite if there isn't any cell signal.

* I can probably pick up an Oudie2 for a small fraction of the cost of a 'recommended' phone and it's a known quantity. Might not have all the features, might not be the greatest screen, might need a few extra hoops jumped through to download, and so on, but what it does 'just works', I like that a lot.

I found I liked the screen on the Samsung so much, I just couldn't go back to the Oudie 2. Borrow an android phone, put a copy of Navigator (free to try, but with limited features) on it. Compare it to the Oudie 2 - you might really like it, too. Still want an Oudie 2? I have an Oudie 2, Naviter mount, wall wart power supply, and LXNav Nanopower adapter with an RJ45 port for a vario/PDA I'll sell you for $50 plus shipping.

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