New task goes to root "\"

[Bob Clark]

I haven't been able to workaround this problem or find it in the forum.

Here's what's happening:

I'm in a 'home' view with toplevelparent='home'. I select a task. Then I select the 'work' view with toplevelparent='work'. I hit the Insert key and add a task.

I can see that it's being entered ABOVE the 'work' folder that's shown. Once I hit Enter, it disappears. 

When I look for it, it's not in ANY of my folders, it's not in the Inbox, and it's not in LostAndFound. It's in "\".

I *think* this is happening because, even while I'm IN the 'work' view, nothing is selected and task entry is not directly associated with the folders/tasks in the view. But I don't understand why my task would go to "\", which is really kind of a no-mans-land the way I have my views organized. I expect my tasks to be either in the inbox (quick entry or emailed) or they get entered in the view/folder I see on the screen. 

This is easily repeatable - at least on my Win7 system. As a matter of fact, I submit a task that goes to "\" and then hit Enter and then Insert another and it keeps going to "\". Only when I select something in the view, will my Inserted task be placed in the appropriate folder.

Let me know if I'm overlooking something. I stumbled into this because I wanted to created my own (slightly modified) Inbox view - 'MyInbox'. But when I select it after being in some other view, I can't enter tasks directly until I click a task within the view.

Thanks for any thoughts.

Bob

[Dwight]

Hi, Bob. The behaviour you are looking for is implemented in Zoom, not in Filter. Get rid of the toplevelparent filters and instead, select the top level parent for each view, select it, right click and select Zoom In. You get pretty much the same view except (1) the top level parent is not itself a part of the view any longer (2) you now have a banner across the top of the view stating that it is zoomed, (3) newly created tasks are created at the root level of the zoom (ie the top level parent) rather then the root of the whole tree.
-Dwight
Mlo betazoid on Android sgn2

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[Bob Clark]

Thanks Dwight,

I'm trying your suggestion, but I'm not sure that's what I want. It kind of blows my view scheme. I have a group of home views and a group of work views. Zooming into one of them sets the zoom for all of them. That doesn't make sense - *to me*.

I think this a bug - or at least a user interface inconvenience:). And I don't think it has anything to do with filters - except that filters are causing an entered task to disappear. So disappearance is understood - it's respecting the filter that says I just created a task outside the scope of the view/filter.

I'm saying - FWIW - the problem is, when you're IN a view, you should not be able to enter a task that goes to a folder outside the scope of the view - but that's what's happening. Again, this only happens when switching back to a view and not clicking within the view to select any task/folder. Are you saying it SHOULD do this?

The workaround for now is to click something in the view to let MLO know where I am and where I want the task to go - rather than "\".

Thanks,

Bob

[Dwight]

Hi Bob, I will discuss proper operation of filters and such with you later but first I wanted to help you get the zoom right, because it is designed for what you are doung and works well.

You said that "Zooming into one of [your views] sets the zoom for all of them." It sounds as though you are using the option to synchronize zooms across workspaces.  Right click on the tab for a workspace where you plan to zoom and select something like "setup workspace". (Sorry I can't be more precise but I'm away from my desktop). Look for an option that says something like "sync zoom" and turn it off. You may see another option like "sync selection" - it seems that you may have that on as well, you could play with it and see if you like the behaviour better with this one on or off.

Zoom sync is a wonderful tool for example if you are managing multiple projects and you have a series of project management views like
What should I do next
Is anything overdue
What starts tomorrow
Do I have any phone calls to make
Etc

Rather than making a copy of each view for each project, you can just make a set of views with zoom synch.  Then, when you zoom to a project for one view they all switch to viewing that same project. But if you have zoom synch enabled when you don't really want it, you get problems like the one you described.

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[Bob Clark]

Hey Dwight,

I'm still a real newbie with MLO and getting it right can be tough with so many different options - but that's why I like MLO - it's got the power!

I'm giving your suggestion another go. "Forget filters; Learn Zoom - 1st".

So far, I've created 2 tabs: All-H and All-W. These are zoomed to my top level folders home & work and they're based on the built-in all tasks view - no filters. Here are the views that I had developed at 1st and thought I was close to having what I was after with MLO - until I ran into the issue I reported at the top of this thread. With this set of views in mind, are you suggesting that I would create all these views as tabs? Or what would you recommend for the next steps to work toward this functionality?

I really appreciate your time helping me figure this out!

Bob

[Bob Clark]

Dwight,

My posts are still moderated, so this comes before my 1st reply gets posted. Anyway:

Still working with Zoom and now a couple custom views. I think your suggestion is starting to click. Here's what I have now. Much simpler setup using fewer views and a couple tabs. I'm liking this alot.

One thing I'm struggling to resolve with Zoom. Since I have multiple folders and subfolders, I like to zoom into a folder to work on it for a while so I can turn off the rest of the noise. This is case-by-case and what I had seen to be the primary purpose for zoom in my previous setup. Zoom-in still works great in this setup. But Zoom-out zooms back to the root rather than the "pre-zoomed" setup for the tab: H for Home; W for Work. With a top-level parent filter, zoom can't zoom to the root - or at least you can't see anything outside the filtered folder. If you follow what I'm saying, how do you deal with this?

Thanks again,

Bob

[Dwight]

Bob, I unfortunately don't have time to give your inquiry the attention it deserves this week but here is a quick thought.

Make workspaces that represent the permanent zoom level for each view. In each workspace,  make that view the default and then lock the workspace. You should find that when you zoom further in, MLO leaves the locked workspace alone and creates  new unlocked workspace with your new zoom. Instead of zooming out when you are done, just close the unlocked workspace and you should find yourself back in the locked workspace with the original zoom.

-Dwight
Mlo betazoid on Android sgn2

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[Bob Clark]

I've been experimenting with that & I think that's going to work.

Thanks again Dwight.

Bob

[BOC]

A tip for anyone who has views they like but are irritated by those disappearing tasks.

Setup a rule in your advanced filter to include:

CreatedDateTime after now-0.001

Now your task will stay visible for a few minutes while you edit its properties :-)

P.S. I forget the exact value -0.001 represents, it's buried in a thread I posted in a long time ago so feel free to play with the value.

[Dwight]

Great hack! If, as I assume,  that maps to 1/1000 of a day it would be almost a minute and a half

-Dwight
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