A few changes to make before V5 release

[Oleksii Liubarets]

Hi MLO team,

I've just installed a V5 beta version and tried to play with its markdown syntax. Unfortunately, what you have done so far sucks and brings almost nothing to what we have in V4 in regards of notes editing/formatting and here is why:

1. I can't use TAB when editing text - it switches to other UI elements. Do you want me to type 4 spaces every time I need to make an indented block of text? In each line of that block? Make TAB edit text.
   
2. Text in code block is way too small - increase the font or, preferably, add an option to choose font size.
3. Add shortcuts for text formatting. For example, I pasted a piece of text and want to wrap it into code block by selecting it and hitting some shortcut. Just add TAB in front of the first and every line which starts with CRLF.
   

I hope you will change forementioned things in release version. Still think it is worth 25 euro I paid for the upgrade as you may make it better in V6 anyway.

Regards,

Oleksii

[Stéph]

Hello Oleksii,

There is a solution for problem 1:  You can use Ctrl-I to insert a tab character into a note. Like a few other shortcut keys, this is currently undocumented.

Stéphane

[Oleksii Liubarets]

Another very annoying behaviour is that in edit mode strings of code are on different lines, but when I switch to view mode - it is being linearized. Fix this.

[Oleksii Liubarets]

Hi Stephane,

Thanks. Would be nice if it could also shift a selected block of text.

[Stéph]

I asked Andrey to fix that layout discrepancy too. Unfortunately, the Markdown library he's using implements a flavour of Markdown which requires a blank line between each line (ie press <Enter> twice for this Markdown to interpret as a new paragraph). This is for everything except bullet lists, which don't need the blank line between each new entry.  Andrey did discuss this with the author of the Markdown library, but they won't be changing it.

I agree it's annoying, as the point of Markdown is that the plain text and Markdown rendered versions should be laid out in the same format and should both be easy to read. However, I guess I can get used to adding the blank lines (even if they do waste a lot of space in the small Notes panel in MLO).

Stéphane

[devon]

Hi,

If it is helpful, I have found that instead of having a blank line between each line make the appearance of new line in Markdown viewing mode, another way is to have TWO spaces at the end of the same line.  I found that adding spaces at the end of line is much better and more visually pleasing than leaving too many blank lines.  At the end, it is up to individual preferences.

I.e.  Instead of 

## This is title  

1) First line of notes.

2) Another line of notes

You can have the same effect with TWO spaces at the end of the line

## This is title  

1) First line of notes.  

2) Another line of notes   

Hope this helps those that are using Markdown.

[Dale]

I think it is best to ignore the markdown, as it is more pain than it is worth.  Hard to believe in 2018 that a GUI would have markdown as the formatting method in a program designed to make your life easier.

[Timppa]

Thanks

This is a good tip

.timppa

[David Timpe]

This does not work for me.  Double space and single return leaves the markdown displaying as a single wrapped paragraph

[MOK | MATSURU]

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[Stéph]

Thanks for the tip, devon. That works well for me.

[Oleksii Liubarets]

 That's what I did it - I turned it off. Sad to say it, but it seems that a new major version doesn't bring anything useful to me.

[Mark Krieger]

Markdown has its place (...I think...). It is very quick to write for people who know it to jot down some basic formatted text that is very portable to different platforms and can be read/understood even in its basic text form without formatting shown.

The problem is that I don't think that many people who are not programmers actually use it - or even care to learn it. With all the WYSIWYG most people have been working with since years and decades markdown does seem antiquated to the regular user - and even to "regular" power users.

So while a good case can be made for its use (think syncing with different platforms that is is way easier with pure text), I don't think that the wider audience really much cares for learning it and would rather have a true basic WYSIWYG editor that would finally be able to sync Outlook notes without destroying them if edited in MLO.

I understand there has been quite some effort put into making this, but maybe the decisions to do it in the first place was flawed and influenced by programmers rather than UX designers.

[Oleksii Liubarets]

I'm a programmer with 10 years experience and I can easily use tags, but it still doesn't work in the end. Take, for example, multiline bullet points - they are linearized in view mode! Indenting text when TAB button doesn't work in edit mode and jumps to UI elements? Hell no. I disabled it after a day of suffering. Can't imagine it being used as it is now. They should add shortcuts which will wrap selected pieces of text with corresponding tags at least (by automating adding indents to each line of selected block, for example).