Windows MLO: Columns in my Views keep reverting - bug ?

[John Smith]

Hi

I have a problem with view columns that keep reverting.

Seeming all of my  Views (and one of them in particular) - are extremely frustrating because the columns are not in the sequence and position that I want. But every time I change them back to how I want them (and yes, then hit "Save" at the bottom of the Filter panel on the left - either saving to the same or a new name), then all it takes is for me to look an any other View and then BANG the columns have reverted to where they were.  [grrr]

Fwiw, the two columns in question are "Importance" and "Urgency". The View in question is mainly a rather complicated one that I constructed from scratch, but the problem also affects other Views including the original "Outline > All tasks" view that won't let me Save at all. (==> "You are not allowed to change predefined views...")

[Aside: Strangely although you aren't allowed to change the predefined view you ARE allowed to change the columns aspect of the view whatever the software says.]

But the problem is not remotely consistent. It does seem to help somewhat if you have two copies of the exactly same View next to each other on the left hand column. But not for very long... And it may revert at any point. Certainly as soon as you delete the spare one, the other one's columns always seem to go wrong again!

This definitely feels like a bug to me. (Ouch! Ironically as soon as I wrote the word bug - if confirmed by act of God - I get a message to my screen that MLO has actually crashed!)  

Any suggestions or best practices as to how to avoid the columns going wrong?

e.g. Should I delete all copies of my Views and rebuild them from scratch?

e.g. Should I export all my data and import into a new blank MLO file? (V painful obviously as I would lose a lot of settings presumably..)

[Dwight Arthur]

Hi, John. Not a b-u-g imho. sorry.

the thing you saved is a "view" which is a set of filters and such as defined in the left panel. The xolumn selection is not accessible though the left panel and is therefore not saved when you save a view. I am oversimplifying but this is about 95% true.

The thing that saves a view together with other information such as zoom and selected columns is a workspace, also known as a tab. Try this:

-Hit the [+] tab marker at the right of your tab list. A new tab appears.

-Type in some nice name for the workspace.

-you can click or clear the two "sync" checkboxes, does not matter to me

- hit <enter> to save the workspace name

- make sure that you have the view you want

- make sure the column selection and zoom is what you want

- right click the tab and select "set as default"

- right click the tab and select "lock to default"

- maybe you want to assign some nice icon and pin the tab. or not.

now whenever you click this tab you will get the tasklist you just defined.

btw this is probably a good time to tell you about persistent unsaved view changes.

when you edit a view the changes are not saved back to the view definition but they remain in effect in the current workspace. If you open the same view in a different workspace the changes will be absent but if you go back to the workspace where you made the changes they are still there. You can close MLO, reboot your computer and reopen MLO, the workspace will still be there and your unsaved changes will still be present. You can edit system views but you cannot save them. When you save a view the changes now appear in all workspaces using the view.

[John Smith]

Hi 

Sorry I hate to differ Dwight but I just tried exactly what you suggest and it simply isn't working as you describe.

Yes, it seems that "Set as default for this tab" has the effect of setting which view on that tab will appear when you double click on it, plus an asterisk appears if you select a different view.

And yes, it seems that "Lock default in this tab" has the effect of stopping me from deleting the tab. Plus if I attempt to change view whilst in that tab, then a new tab is opened. 

BUT none of the above seems to have the slightest effect on either the sequence of the rows across the page relative to each other nor their horizontal positions. 

I even tried getting all the tabs as I want them and closing the whole program. But even then after you open the program again, the simple act of clicking on different will after a whole break the columns. What is strange is that immediately it breaks for one workspace any other workspace that has the same view in it (albeit set as default and locked) will have the column change in exactly the same way. So it does FEEL like the columns are part of the views themselves, rather than being anything to do with the tabs....

Nope as things stand nothing will keep the columns anything like how I want them and until someone can tell me how to stop the column from leaping back to what they were, seemingly with minds of their own, I say:

b-u-g !

P.S. There are a couple unexpected things too:

a) If a tab has been locked you can still change the columns - on a temporary basis at least. 

b) "Sync Zoom with first tab" keeps unticking itself on all the tabs. I 

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[Dwight Arthur]

Here’s a sequence that I tried:

1. File>New to create a new database

2. Save as Test.ml

3. Add some tasks

4. Open the All Tasks view

5. create a new tab, called Test

6. open Next Actions by Project in the test tab

7. click on column header and add Importance and Urgency

8. drag Importance and Urgency to the right as columns 2 and 3 (after caption)

9. save view as Nextx

10. click on My Workspace (first) tab.

11. Move some columns around in My workspace

12. Back to Test tab. Importance and Urgency are still in positions 2 and 3

13. load All Tasks to test tab

14. load Nextx to text tab – Importance and Urgency are still in positions 2 and 3

 

If I am understanding your issue correctly, I believe that the above test shows that I’m not experiencing it.

 

Could you document a series of steps like the above, starting with a new/empty database, that demonstrate the issue? If so I will do my best to replicate the problem and we can see what happens.

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[MrCricket]

Hi All,

I can confirm the issue  - suffering from it since August. 

Please check out attached DB:

1) Choose Active1 view: note the order of colums

2) Choose Active2 view.

3) Choose Active1 view: 'NextAlertTime' has moved.

[John Smith]

To be honest, I'm still a bit confused about how do you actually "save" a tab... but here is what I just did just now:

1. File > New blank file

2. Save as "test"

3. Insert > "task01" enter

4. Insert > "task02" enter

5. Clicked on All Tasks view

6. Clicked on "+" "TestTab"

7. Selected "Active Actions"

8. Right-click on column header > tick "Importance"

9. Right-click on column header > tick "Urgency"

The order now is: 

"view: Active Actions >>" then Importance then Due Date then Urgency then Icons then [star]

10. I now dragged Urgency past Due Date

The order now is 

"view: Active Actions >>" then Importance then Urgency then Due Date then Icons then [star]

11. Click Workspace tab, then Click TestTab

The order is unchanged and is still 

"view: Active Actions >>" then Importance then Urgency then Due Date then Icons then [star]

12. I now drag the star into the first position 

The order now is 

[star] then  "view: Active Actions >>" then Importance then Urgency then Due Date then Icons

13. Click Workspace tab, then Click TestTab

The order now is CHANGED to

[star] then  "view: Active Actions >>" then Importance then Due Date then Urgency then Icons

i.e. Star is still in the new position but Due Date has jumped between Importance and Urgency. 

WHY?

14. I now drag Urgency past Due Date and the order is:

[star] then  "view: Active Actions >>" then Importance then Urgency then Due Date then Icons

15. I then clicked on Filter > then Save view

Suddenly although the [star] is still in the new position but Due Date has jumped between Importance and Urgency. 

So just the simple act of saving the view as a new name seems to have caused Due Date to jump back between Importance and Importance.

WHY?

16. Staying within the "Active Actions2" view selected, I closed the Filter pane and drag Uurgency back past Due Date.

The order now is 

[star] then  "view: Active Actions >>" then Importance then Urgency then Due Date then Icons

17. Right-click on TestTab2 (where I am still) with Active Actions2 selected. I click "Set as default for this tab" 

18. Right-click on TestTab2 (where I am still) with Active Actions2 selected. I click "Lock default in this tab" 

19. Click Workspace tab, then Click TestTab

Suddenly although the [star] is still in the new position but Due Date has jumped between Importance and Urgency YET AGAIN!

b-u-g ?   

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[Richard C]

It has never been clear to me where and when column settings are saved.    I think Dwight is right about them now being part of a view but it is less than clear what they are associated with and what saves.them.  And things get even less clear when one starts opening extra windows using the F3 tab.

So you are not alone in being confused.   I know I have been.

Not sure whether this helps!

Richard

[Richard C]

Hmmm - just been playing around with this a bit more and I am not so sure that this right.  What I found was that whenever I selected a particular view on a particular tab, the columns on that tab would adjust to a layout specific to that view  (ie: the column settings are saved with the view).  And the same was true across multiple tabs - ie a given view would have the same column layout irrespective of the tab on which it was being displayed.   But I am also pretty sure that when you change the column settings on a particular view on a particular tab, the view does not acquire an * to indicate that it has been changed and I am not sure what one needs to do to save that new set of column settings.

Richard

[MrCricket]

Screenshots for 1.ml:

[John Smith]

I'm not 100% sure what we're looking at in your screenshots, but yes that's the sort of thing. i.e. in the 3rd screenshot the Next Alert seems to have jumped in between the two dates for no reason.

[Dwight Arthur]

Hi, John. Your script is convincing; clearly something is out of whack as the behaviour demonstrated cannot be correct.I will work with you to get this reported as a bug.

-Dwight 

[MrCricket]

John, the screenshots belong to scenario and db described in my previous post (Dec 7)