Running iPad app on new Apple Macbook with M1 chip

[Chuck Waterfield]

Hello all,

Had used MLO for many years until I switched to Apple MacBooks.  But now I bought the brand new MacBook with the M1 chip, meaning it can actually run iOS apps.

First thing I did was download the iPad version of MLO (which I had purchased years ago). It actually runs fully, and it syncs to MLO cloud. So for those of you frustrated as I was by not having a way to run MLO, all you have to do is spend $1000+ to solve the problem. :)

The down side is that it doesn’t run like a desktop app. Most critically, I can’t use the arrow keys on my keyboard to navigate the outline tree. I’m hoping MLO will use the new M1 chip as a motivation to either improve the iPad app to be a robust desktop app or even to convert it into a full-blown desktop app.

If anyone else has been trying out running the iOS version on their new MacBook, please let me know your experience.

Chuck Waterfield

[Mark Levison]

Chuck - I'm slowing going in the same direction. Although I'm waiting for the summer's MBP 16" with an M2 and hopefully a massive amount of RAM.

My plan is to run the windows version under crossover: https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover have you considered that? - Mark

[Chuck Waterfield]

Hi Mark,

So here’s what I know from about 8 years in the Mac world.  While needing access to Windows. I tried CrossOver and Parallels back then and settled on Parallels. Today I did download CrossOver to see if it had advanced much, and it hasn’t.  So here’s the situation:

CrossOver is inexpensive ($40) and lightweight (compact footprint). It translates *most* of Windows programming on-the-fly so that it runs on the Mac. So it also doesn’t need a purchased copy of Windows Operating System. It warns you it doesn’t run all Windows apps, and it warns you there may be some flaky behavior. I tried it today with MLO and it worked so-so.  A number of times it just wouldn’t react to my mouse clicks for a while, and then eventually it would wake up and start working again.

I do a lot of professional work with Windows apps, and I settled on Parallels, which is a fabulous app.  It runs Windows flawlessly on a Mac, so you can have both operating systems running simultaneously. But it requires a 70G file sitting on your hard drive and it takes a fair amount of RAM to have it open and running while also having Mac apps running. It’s also a bit more expensive, about $100/year (I think that is the cost for running on 2 computers). It’s rather a bit of overkill to have the Parallels/Windows OS running if all you want to do is have small MLO accessible.

And here’s the (temporary) downside. Parallels doesn’t run (yet) on the M1 chip. They are working hard and making progress. From what I’ve read, when they’re done, you’d be able to run individual Windows apps independently (which is something like CrossOver does).  I went ahead and bought the new M1 because I have other computers where I can run Windows in the meantime if necessary. And hopefully Parallels will be out for M1 before too long.

But still, it would be nice to have MLO just actually run on a Mac without having to fake it. The iPad app really is darn close to satisfying my needs, if it would just recognize when I hit some arrow keys!

Chuck

On Feb 15, 2021, 4:43 PM -0500, Mark Levison <ma...@agilepainrelief.com>, wrote:

Chuck - I'm slowing going in the same direction. Although I'm waiting for the summer's MBP 16" with an M2 and hopefully a massive amount of RAM.

My plan is to run the windows version under crossover: https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover have you considered that? - Mark

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[Mark Levison]

Chuck - wow what a detailed and speedy response. Part of why I have always loved the MLO community. 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 4:55 AM Chuck Waterfield <chuck.wa...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Mark,

So here’s what I know from about 8 years in the Mac world.  While needing access to Windows. I tried CrossOver and Parallels back then and settled on Parallels. Today I did download CrossOver to see if it had advanced much, and it hasn’t.  So here’s the situation:

CrossOver is inexpensive ($40) and lightweight (compact footprint). It translates *most* of Windows programming on-the-fly so that it runs on the Mac. So it also doesn’t need a purchased copy of Windows Operating System. It warns you it doesn’t run all Windows apps, and it warns you there may be some flaky behavior. I tried it today with MLO and it worked so-so.  A number of times it just wouldn’t react to my mouse clicks for a while, and then eventually it would wake up and start working again.

Ugh. Funny I tried MLO on Wine when I moved to the Mac 3 computer refreshes ago - almost 9 yrs now. Wine was a monster for disk space and visuals didn't work quite right.

I do a lot of professional work with Windows apps, and I settled on Parallels, which is a fabulous app.  It runs Windows flawlessly on a Mac, so you can have both operating systems running simultaneously. But it requires a 70G file sitting on your hard drive and it takes a fair amount of RAM to have it open and running while also having Mac apps running. It’s also a bit more expensive, about $100/year (I think that is the cost for running on 2 computers). It’s rather a bit of overkill to have the Parallels/Windows OS running if all you want to do is have small MLO accessible.

:-) This later reason is why I want a 32GB Mac (hope Apple is listening) and a 2 TB drive.

And here’s the (temporary) downside. Parallels doesn’t run (yet) on the M1 chip. They are working hard and making progress. From what I’ve read, when they’re done, you’d be able to run individual Windows apps independently (which is something like CrossOver does).  I went ahead and bought the new M1 because I have other computers where I can run Windows in the meantime if necessary. And hopefully Parallels will be out for M1 before too long.

But still, it would be nice to have MLO just actually run on a Mac without having to fake it. The iPad app really is darn close to satisfying my needs, if it would just recognize when I hit some arrow keys!

Perhaps we should send Andrey some roses along with our feature request.

Cheers

Mark