Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

[Garret L]

Hi, I'm new to this forum, so this may have already been mentioned, but is there a way to make multiple parts of a single card hidden using cloze deletion? 

[Peter Bienstman]

Sure! Just try e.g.

 

Bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2].

 

Peter

 

 

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[Garret L]

Okay, but in your example, in one card, [cloze 1] would show up as "[...]" and [close 2] would be visible, and in another card, [cloze 1] would be visible and [cloze 2] would show up as "[...]."

What I'm looking for is this: "bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2]." to show up as "bla bla [...] blab la [...]."

-  for both to show up as blanks simultaneously in the same card.

Sorry for the misunderstanding!

On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 9:34:37 AM UTC-5, Peter Bienstman wrote:

Sure! Just try e.g.

 

Bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2].

 

Peter

 

 

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Subject: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

 

Hi, I'm new to this forum, so this may have already been mentioned, but is there a way to make multiple parts of a single card hidden using cloze deletion? 

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[Peter Bienstman]

Sorry, this is not supported at the moment…

 

Peter

 

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Subject: Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

 

Okay, but in your example, in one card, [cloze 1] would show up as "[...]" and [close 2] would be visible, and in another card, [cloze 1] would be visible and [cloze 2] would show up as "[...]."

 

What I'm looking for is this: "bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2]." to show up as "bla bla [...] blab la [...]."

-  for both to show up as blanks simultaneously in the same card.

 

Sorry for the misunderstanding!

On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 9:34:37 AM UTC-5, Peter Bienstman wrote:

Sure! Just try e.g.

 

Bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2].

 

Peter

 

 

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Subject: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

 

Hi, I'm new to this forum, so this may have already been mentioned, but is there a way to make multiple parts of a single card hidden using cloze deletion? 

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[Garret L]

Okay! I know other flashcard programs (Anki) are capable of this feature. I just wanted to know for sure or not if Mnemosyne was!

Thanks!

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 11:46:50 PM UTC-5, Peter Bienstman wrote:

Sorry, this is not supported at the moment…

 

Peter

 

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Subject: Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

 

Okay, but in your example, in one card, [cloze 1] would show up as "[...]" and [close 2] would be visible, and in another card, [cloze 1] would be visible and [cloze 2] would show up as "[...]."

 

What I'm looking for is this: "bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2]." to show up as "bla bla [...] blab la [...]."

-  for both to show up as blanks simultaneously in the same card.

 

Sorry for the misunderstanding!

On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 9:34:37 AM UTC-5, Peter Bienstman wrote:

Sure! Just try e.g.

 

Bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2].

 

Peter

 

 

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Subject: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

 

Hi, I'm new to this forum, so this may have already been mentioned, but is there a way to make multiple parts of a single card hidden using cloze deletion? 

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[Scott Youngman]

Garret, you can achieve what you want by making the card front-to-back, or front-to-back-&-back-to-front instead of a cloze-type card. Enclose the elements to be tested in square brackets (just like in cloze formatting); the question card will show them as grey, italicized brackets with whatever text you included between brackets. (In the examples below, imagine the bracketed parts to be gray italic.)

So if you make the Question card

bla bla [1] bla bla [2]

both bracketed parts will remain bracketed just as entered, and the Answer card could be

1. "answer 1"

2. "answer 2"

The text in the brackets can be an ellipsis or a hint instead of numbers. You can also format the text in the brackets as desired, which overrides the default gray.

If that's unclear, try it on a test card to see what I mean. The important part is NOT to make it a cloze-type, even though you are using square brackets in the question.

Scott

[Peter Bienstman]

Great idea, thanks for suggesting it!

Peter

On 15 June 2016 17:02:42 CEST, Scott Youngman <syo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Garret, you can achieve what you want by making the card front-to-back, or front-to-back-&-back-to-front instead of a cloze-type card. Enclose the elements to be tested in square brackets (just like in cloze formatting); the question card will show them as grey, italicized brackets with whatever text you included between brackets. (In the examples below, imagine the bracketed parts to be gray italic.)

So if you make the Question card

bla bla [1] bla bla [2]

both bracketed parts will remain bracketed just as entered, and the Answer card could be

1. "answer 1"

2. "answer 2"

The text in the brackets can be an ellipsis or a hint instead of numbers. You can also format the text in the brackets as desired, which overrides the default gray.

If that's unclear, try it on a test card to see what I mean. The impo rtant part is NOT to make it a cloze-type, even though you are using square brackets in the question.

[Ernesto Sastre]

El jueves, 9 de junio de 2016, 11:33:04 (UTC-3), Garret L escribió:

Hi, I'm new to this forum, so this may have already been mentioned, but is there a way to make multiple parts of a single card hidden using cloze deletion? 

I feel you bro, I was actually looking for the same. I gave a glimpse at Peter's cloze.py code, and although it is not that hard to follow I could not set my mind to code a new card type class (Multi-cloze deletion class) that inherited from the cloze class. I have exams next week and I can't afford to spend time on this right now.  I am sure that Peter would be able to perform with great ease some modifications to his own cloze.py code to fit your needs. There is a function in it that does "create sister cards"; maybe discarding it from the code is a first step approach. I will adjunt cloze.py code

#

# cloze.py <Peter.B...@UGent.be>

#

import re

from mnemosyne.libmnemosyne.translator import _

from mnemosyne.libmnemosyne.card import Card

from mnemosyne.libmnemosyne.plugin import Plugin

from mnemosyne.libmnemosyne.card_type import CardType

from mnemosyne.libmnemosyne.fact_view import FactView

cloze_re = re.compile(r"\[(.+?)\]", re.DOTALL)

class Cloze(CardType):

    """CardType to do cloze deletion on a string, e.g. "The political parties in

    the US are the [democrats] and the [republicans]." would give the following

    cards:

    Q:The political parties in the US are the [...] and the republicans.

    A:democrats

    Q:The political parties in the US are the democrats and the [...].

    A:republicans

    Illustration of a CardType which does not use the traditional FactView

    mechanism.

    This is implemented by creating cards which contain extra_data entries

    "cloze" and "index", containing e.g. "democrats" and 0. Storing both the

    cloze and its index allows us to have enough data to support all possible

    editing operations.

    """

    id = "5"

    name = _("Cloze deletion")

    fact_keys_and_names = [("text", _("Text"))]

    unique_fact_keys = ["text"]

    required_fact_keys = ["text"]

    v = FactView(_("Cloze"), "5.1")

    v.q_fact_keys = ["f"]  # Generated on the fly.

    v.a_fact_keys = ["b"]  # Generated on the fly.

    fact_views = [v]

    def fact_key_format_proxies(self):

        return {"text": "text", "f": "text", "b": "text"}

    def is_fact_data_valid(self, fact_data):

        text = fact_data["text"]

        for f in self.component_manager.all("hook", "preprocess_cloze"):

            text = f.run(text)

        return bool(cloze_re.search(text))

    def _q_a_from_cloze(self, text, index):

        """Auxiliary function used by other card types to return question

        and answer for the cloze with a given index in a text which can have

        the following form:

        La [casa:house] es [grande:big]

        Use 'index=-1' to get the cloze text without brackets and without

        hints.

        """

        for f in self.component_manager.all("hook", "preprocess_cloze"):

            text = f.run(text)

        cursor = 0

        current_index = 0

        question = text

        answer = None

        while True:

            cursor = text.find("[", cursor)

            if cursor == -1:

                break

            cloze = text[cursor + 1:text.find("]", cursor)]

            if ":" in cloze:

                cloze_without_hint, hint = cloze.split(":", 1)

            else:

                cloze_without_hint, hint = cloze, "..."

            if current_index == index:

                question = question.replace(\

                    "[" + cloze + "]", "[" + hint + "]", 1)

                answer = cloze_without_hint

            else:

                question = question.replace(\

                    "[" + cloze + "]", cloze_without_hint, 1)

            cursor += 1

            current_index += 1

        for f in self.component_manager.all("hook", "postprocess_q_a_cloze"):

            question, answer = f.run(question, answer)

        return question, answer

    def fact_data(self, card):

        question, answer = self._q_a_from_cloze\

            (card.fact["text"], card.extra_data["index"])

        return {"f": question, "b": answer}

    def create_sister_cards(self, fact):

        cards = []

        text = fact["text"]

        for f in self.component_manager.all("hook", "preprocess_cloze"):

            text = f.run(text)

        for match in cloze_re.finditer(text):

            card = Card(self, fact, self.fact_views[0])

            card.extra_data["cloze"] = match.group(1)

            card.extra_data["index"] = len(cards)

            cards.append(card)

        return cards

    def _edit_clozes(self, fact, new_fact_data,

                    cloze_fact_key, cloze_fact_view):

        """Auxiliary function used by other card types to when editing clozes.

        Should take into account that not all fact views are cloze-based.

        """

        new_cards, edited_cards, deleted_cards = [], [], []

        old_clozes = cloze_re.findall(fact[cloze_fact_key])

        new_clozes = cloze_re.findall(new_fact_data[cloze_fact_key])

        # If the number of clozes is equal, just edit the existing cards.

        if len(old_clozes) == len(new_clozes):

            for card in self.database().cards_from_fact(fact):

                if "cloze" in card.extra_data:

                    index = card.extra_data["index"]

                    card.extra_data["cloze"] = new_clozes[index]

                edited_cards.append(card)

        # If not, things are a little more complicated.

        else:

            new_clozes_processed = set()

            for card in self.database().cards_from_fact(fact):

                if "cloze" in card.extra_data:

                    old_cloze = card.extra_data["cloze"]

                    index = card.extra_data["index"]

                    if old_cloze in new_clozes:

                        new_index = new_clozes.index(old_cloze)

                        card.extra_data["cloze"] = new_clozes[new_index]

                        card.extra_data["index"] = new_index

                        new_clozes_processed.add(new_clozes[new_index])

                        edited_cards.append(card)

                    else:

                        deleted_cards.append(card)

                else:

                    edited_cards.append(card)

            for new_cloze in set(new_clozes).difference(new_clozes_processed):

                new_index = new_clozes.index(new_cloze)

                card = Card(self, fact, cloze_fact_view)

                card.extra_data["cloze"] = new_cloze

                card.extra_data["index"] = new_index

                new_cards.append(card)

        return new_cards, edited_cards, deleted_cards

    def edit_fact(self, fact, new_fact_data):

        return self._edit_clozes(fact, new_fact_data,

            "text", self.fact_views[0])

class ClozePlugin(Plugin):

    name = _("Cloze deletion")

    description = _("""A card type blanking out certain fragments in a text.\n

E.g., the text \"The capital of [France] is [Paris]\", will give cards with questions \"The capital of France is [...].\" and \"The capital of [...] is Paris\".\n

Editing the text will automatically update all sister cards.\n\nYou can also specify hints, e.g. [cloze:hint] will show

 [hint] in the question as opposed to [...].""")

    components = [Cloze]

Remember to register the plugin adding to the bottom of the code above:

from mnemosyne.libmnemosyne.plugin import register_user_plugin

register_user_plugin(DecoratedVocabularyPlugin)

Regards.

[Peter Bienstman]

Hi,

 

There’s no need to feel any pain, Scott’s idea to make a front-to-back card for this achieves exactly what you want without anyone needing to write any extra code.

 

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mnemosyne-proj-users/ufnJ81XtH5E/yp3CAAlMAgAJ

 

Cheers,

 

Peter

 

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[Ernesto Sastre]

Haha it is true. It is not worth a new card type at all. Though the code is quite well structured so as to allow creating one clone of cloze deletion with minimal effort I think

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[Chris]

Another option would be to use the cloze deletion card type with hints (separated by a ':' from the cloze deletion), e.g.:

bla bla [cloze1 blabla cloze2:... blabla ...] bla bla bla.

The question would then look like this:

bla bla [... blabla ...] bla bla bla.

and the answer:

cloze1 blabla cloze2

Instead of the "..." you could also add hints for the words to fill in.

Another alternative is the sentence card type. It works the same as with cloze deletion card type but gives you additional options like adding pronunciation, meaning and notes. I am using this for learning a foreign language. This way I can
1. learn to translate the whole sentence
2. fill in the gaps (or replace the hints) with words in correct grammar

[chris.b...@gmail.com]

Woah.  I'm Chris also and I was just about to make this same last suggestion!  It works well, I do this all the time if I need one like you suggest.  It also works along with other parts of the card being cloze deletion separately, which the front-to-back option wouldn't.  Sometimes I'll use it for lists, or put prepositions in as a hint, too, i.e., The gnome went from [A to B through C:... to ... through ...], or something of the like.  When you get used to using the system you come up with a lot of quick and easy workarounds for just about anything you need.  Keep in mind  you can even put images in the cloze deletion brackets or hints and that allows you to do some other creative things.

    - Chris S.

[chris.b...@gmail.com]

Keep in mind you need to have a reason for having multiple cloze parts in one instance of a card.  Most often the best learning comes from keeping the information learned as granular as possible, but if you have a reason, it works well.

[eliseets...@gmail.com]

Sorry I'm not quite sure I understand. For me when I bracket something in standard cards it does nothing but adding the brackets ...
I can obvisouly do it by hand but that kind of defeats the purpose of having a package doing it for you

[Peter Bienstman]

Hi,

That's a rather old mail you're replying to. What exactly is your problem? If you have a Cloze card with text

[a] [b] c

It will generate two cards:

Q: [...] b c
A: a

And

Q: a [...] c
A: b

Hope this helps,

Peter

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To: mnemosyne-proj-users
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[eliseets...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, September 24, 2017 at 7:59:53 AM UTC+2, Peter Bienstman wrote:
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Sorry I wasn't more precise. I'm interested in the same thing than the person who started the thread, which is being able to have multiple blanks without it being different cards i.e. something along the lines of
Q:
[a] d [b]

A:
a
b

Thanks.

[Peter Bienstman]

Hi,

That's against the minimum information principle, which says that it's best that cards test only a single piece of knowledge at the same time.

However, if you realky want that, you have to indeed construct such a card manually as front to back only card.

Cheers,

Peter

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[Scott Youngman]

I am the OP. The Q card has hints or some other identifiers in brackets, while the A card has the full answers. Examples:

Q:  [1] and [2]

A:  Answer 1

     Answer 2

Q:  [Hint-1] and [Hint-2]

A:  Answer-1

     Answer-2

Although this is indeed contrary to the principle that each card should ask about one bit of information (as Peter pointed out in his reply), I find it useful when parts 1 and 2 are closely linked and I am learning them as a unit, or when each part is too easy by itself. Also when the parts occur in the same Q sentence and have the same answer, e.g. 

Q:  [Hint-xyz] blah-blah-blah, and also when [Hint-xyz] blah-blah-blah

A:  Answer-xyz

Scott

[Scott Youngman]

Another way to set up multiple blanks is to use an ellipsis, for example:

[...] and [...]

In other words, you don't need to have text or hints in the brackets.

(Correction: I am not the OP, I just replied early in the chain.)