The big nothing

[allan...@gmail.com]

Zero ( 0 ).   A non-existent number the big nothing and has no value the same as God or so my Atheist  friends say; in a way they are right, except " Zero " ( 0 ) is a whole odd number; that is the transition point between the positive ( +  ) and negative ( - ) numbers AND without this whole odd number our whole mathematical system doesn't  work.

Any thoughts or questions (hopefully intelligent ones)
Allan

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

You cannot act as you like on the pretext that everything is predetermined. If you put your hand in the fire it will surely burn, if you jump from the roof you will break your leg.

So whatever we do we should always remember that our future is determined by our acts of omission and commission.

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[Allan H]

Cause and effect is well known; but RP I have problems that a soul's life is predermined at it's bodies entry into this reality.. your soul is the controlling simbinate of the physical carrier of your soul allowing it to exist with in this reality..

You need to remember you are a noncaporial entity existing somewhere within the mandala of total reality.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

What is life after all. It is just a bubble which has a beginning, middle and end. You can live it any way you want, it all depends on your beliefs and priorities.

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[allan...@gmail.com]

Excluding beliefs; you are telling be life is like a tiny air bubble within a huge ocean?

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

To my mind it is so. We are just bubbles in an ocean. But people believe what they have been taught to believe. Our beliefs are based on religion philosophy and science. Do what you think is right, everyone has his own priorities.

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[allan...@gmail.com]

In many many ways you are right RP..  when I look at the entire universe I am less than a grain of sand within the visible universe.. then when I look at the Big Bang theory. I start running into some serious math problems.. (I do buy the big bang theory) yes the speed of light (more or less) can not be exceeded.. that is just the beginning of my problem.
Now because the speed of light is essentially a constant the  distance light could travel in that nanosecond that distance can be easily calculated.. the distance is well within our actually ability to understand... That is just the

beginning of the question starts.. the first nanosecond the universe was greater than the distance light can travel in the same nanosecond..  this leaves me wondering just how large is our actual universe?  A much greater distance than light can travel.

Now RP the real question is if you idea is correct. why would I even be driven to search for an answer?
Allan

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

If I tell the Taliban that his Shariat is discriminatory will they accept it, if I tell an idol worshipper that his god his false will he believe me, if I tell a Christian that God didn't spoke on the mount will he believe me and if I tell an atheist that God is will he believe me.

Allan, I cannot tell people what to believe. So let everyone go his own way, and do what he thinks is right.

[allan...@gmail.com]

RP that is what free will is all about.. each soul is responsible for it's beliefs. Because what I have found is truth to me does not make it truth for you or anyone else, only me
That to me the function of of mind's-eye it allows us to examine the beliefs and insight of spirituality of others.. helping my soul to grow.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

I believe that everything is predetermined which is contrary to the notion of free will. Yet I believe that everyone has relative freedom and thus accountable for his actions. I have been saying this from the time I joined minds-eye, but there have been long arguments without any result.

So what's the good of debates excepting that we get to know the other person's perspective.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

The individual-will is an essential part of any action and thus has relative freedom.

[allan...@gmail.com]

Now RP I agree with your statement;

The individual-will is an essential part of any action and thus has relative freedom.

My problem is your statement is contrary to something being preordained.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

If a person has relative freedom because he is an essential part of any action, it doesn't over-ride the fact that the cosmos moves according to laws in all spheres, and in God's world laws are obeyed and not broken.

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[allan...@gmail.com]

Then RP the only remaining question is "precisely what are God's laws?"

Allan

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Well, you are aware of laws of mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology and psychology. So there must be spiritual laws as well, I can say with confidence that virtues , if followed, would uplift mankind. One should have a humanitarian approach to life and there should be no coercion.

Democracy is a step in the right direction.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

I cannot tell you what God's laws could be except those which are known to scientists, but rest assured that there are laws behind all actions.

Remember that 2000 years ago people were not aware of many laws which are known to mankind today. We will know more in the eons to come.

[Rajendra Pal Singh]

You will admit that the universe has been made by God, so it follows that all the laws governing the universe have also been made by Him.

[allan...@gmail.com]

Hmm laws of mathematics, physics, chemistry are somewhat understood. You have to remember that over 92% of the scientific knowledge has been discovered after 1952 CE
Which translates there is massive amounts of information that remains unknown. As for Biology as for God's the only real law is evolve or face extinction. As for the laws of Psychology if you could clue me in I would appreciate that as they are unknown to me..

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

You should read books on psychology and sociology.

[allan...@gmail.com]

Now here RP you are getting into one of my pet peeves,... It is impossible to separate God from his creation...
Now there is where most of the problems exist, There is very little I am absolutely sure of beyond all doubt one is "God is real!" The other thing is that I am part of his being (body and Soul).
That can be a future separate discussion.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

God is the Mind in Creation.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

A universe is born, grows and then destructs. At any given moment there are infinite number of universes in different stages--birth, growth and destruction. There is no beginning of time and no end. Creation is timeless, it is manifest in universes which like us have a beginning and an end.

[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Space is a part of a universe.

[allan...@gmail.com]

Those books are in the area of lip-flapping not laws of God.

A good law of God is "you can not create or destroy matter, only change its form..

Now RP  I love a good round of kick about. I put out crazy radical ideas just to stimulate thinking and thought... The idea of mind's-eye is to stimulate mental growth.

Allan

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

All laws reveal the Mind of God because it is the Mind which governs all that is animate and inanimate.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Just as physics has given you knowledge of matter and energy, psychology and sociology will give you knowledge of the working of man's mind and the working of society.

On Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 10:28 PM <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

The Mind of God works in an orderly manner that is why that there are laws governing the animate and the inanimate.

[allan...@gmail.com]

Ordered chaos

Sorry JP recently I have just started recovery from major health failure.. a very interesting period in my life.. it has been a period that I am finding answers to questions I never knew I had..
One down side is i tire very easily.
So I will say goodbye so I can rest.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Everything in Creation is bound by laws of Nature and man is no exception. And it is God's nature.

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[allan...@gmail.com]

Of course everything within all creation is part of God's being,.and more

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[Allan]

very true.. understanding these laws is what science is about.. sadly EGOs (an acronym for Easing God Out) and resulting in distorted views.
Awhile back I read a reference another universe that predates the one we exist in now..
I have never seen the reference or expansion of the concept since.. I suspect the person has come under extreme criticism because of long held beliefs. My question becomes "why not?"  I have had memories (mine? or of others?) of sitting within the edge of reality watching "Daddy" do the neat trick of creation to entertain his beloved children.
who knows
allan

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