Testing...

[leerevdouglas]

Am I attached?

Sure I am, but to what and whom, and for why?

These questions and others, respectfully bashed out at Minds-Eye....

Hello again folks, Alan grabbed me and dragged me back, so now what are we talking about ummm?

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

[allan...@gmail.com]

Yes now you are..  how you became unattached..  hmm wondering if Molly will read this and respond..
I think a lot of people have become disconnected.. probably because of "Google" security system I noticed that they said your message might contain spam
 Something along that line..  Iol imagine Google admitting that their applications send out spam
Allan

do not murder; rape; or enslave others
God is not a myth

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Welcome to the club , Lee.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

The long discussions with you toned my views, I really agree with you that we have free will to the extent that God has granted us. But as for the whole creation I still say that it is all bound by God's nature.

[allan...@gmail.com]

LOL Lee was here when I first showed up in mind's eye

do not murder; rape; or enslave others
God is not a myth

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[allan...@gmail.com]

RP. In physics there is a law matter can neither be created or destroyed. You can only change its form..
Let me know what you think about God and his relationship to his law and the rest of the big bang theory.

do not murder; rape; or enslave others
God is not a myth

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

God is very methodical, he control all creation by laws. Even the big bang happens according to laws emanating from God's nature. If there can be laws of physics why not laws of human nature.

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[Allan]

now RP you are telling mme the Big Bang theory is pretty much right?
Allan

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Certainly, and if not, whatever happened is according to God's will.

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[Richard Blay]

Yeah, most of the topics are in my spam.

I want to open a new topic on scam but I think it'll get spam. Can something be done?

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[Allan]

how can you say certainly not? the evidence og science is pointing to the big bang theory.
if not how dod our universe come into existence RP.
I am expecting an answer.. I am trying to understand what you are saying.

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[Allan]

you go to spam and list them as not spam..  and when the bar shows up on top the post push " Hide "   then all what is written by the individual comes directly to your mail..

that should solve your problems.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Well theories are theories until proved, but rest assured that there was a rational event which led to the birth of the universe.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

I said certainly and then I added the assumption  that if not big bang then some other scientific event 

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[Allan]

RP  what is the rational event that created our universe we live in..
now you need to list your understanding of how because your is saying it was not true by denying the theory; in denying the big bang theory you are say there is a better theory.. now if you tell us that it violates the laws of God.. then specifically which laws are being violated.. I don't want generalization because that is ignorance showing.
come up with other stories of creation.. old or new you can even create your own story or theory.. something that can br discussed..
if it is wrong you have to explain why it is wrong .
no problem

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Yeah as per current scientific hypothesis.

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[Allan]

just what is that event is this? even the book of Genesis story of creation shows a simply stated version of the big bang once you remove the timeline as presented.

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[Allan]

the scientific evidence is pointing to the big bang theory and is not in violation of God's laws

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Allan, at this stage we cannot be sure, but scientists believe that there was a big bang

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Nothing on Earth or Heaven can violate God's laws.

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[Allan]

i Agree.. now that said creates some points of interest especially what is happening on the very first nanosecond.

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[Allan]

have not seen any other real theories,  other than religious mostly belief. little to no evidence. .(mostly fundelmentalist christian because that is the religion i am most familiar with)

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[Allan]

where is the big bang theory violating the laws of God?

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Allan, there is not one universe but infinite number of universes in various stages of growth. Every universe has a beginning, a middle and an end. They all exist in parallel. Time is eternal and has no beginning and end. Every moment universes are being born and universe's  are dying and Creation is  without beginning and end. 

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Laws of God are inviolable, no one and nothing can violate God's laws.

Battery is going, have to charge the phone.

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[Allan]

you have that time and time again with little development or expansion.. RP I need to stop I do  need.. rest  so will answer tomorrow.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Some philosophies cannot be explained in detail but have to be understood by using your intellect, and if you are unable to understand them you can accept them in faith or reject them if you do not trust the propounder.

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[allan...@gmail.com]

When you go into the spam file (I like Maildroid Pro with a annual spam subscription (very inexpensive) and then mark it "not spam" and it will return to your inbox or should anyway  if google asks usually in an box on top the email "hide" will make the box go away .. you may have to do it several times on different emails nut before long Google will get the hint.
The is talk of making Google a public utility.. that could be interesting.
Allan

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[allan...@gmail.com]

RP We have a nice place to live (maybe gull of idiots but a nice place anyway.)
Allan

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Allan, I am not denying the big bang theory, it is very much plausible. But nonetheless it is just a theory and has not been proved.

All that I am saying is that even if the big bang theory is not true, then it is absolutely certain that there was some relational event which brought about the universe.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

There might have been energy emerging out  of nothing along with space. That energy in part turned into matter and the universe started to evolve. Even now the universe is continually evolving and additional space is being created.

[Rajendra Pal Singh]

When the universe's life is over matter will start imploding and turn into energy then that energy will start contracting and with it space will start destructing and energy and space will go into nothing .

[allan...@gmail.com]

I love pondering ideas .. my experience has been if I can not explain what I am pondering. I have no idea what I am pondering.
The only Blind trust I give is to God.
I want to know what I am trusting, I don't know a lemming mentality.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

The universe is not in space, but space is a part of a universe.

[Rajendra Pal Singh]

You asked for my theory I have given it.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

God is formless and occupies no space 

[allan...@gmail.com]

Good thought,, the only problem I have with your theory is as you have stated over and over again it can not violate the laws of God.. One of those laws and it is well known within the scientific community..  that is matter can not be created or destroyed only change forms..
Apparently you are in violation of your own theory with no explanation as to how or why..
Allan

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Energy doesn't occupy space, it is inherent in God. Without God there is no energy. Energy is the power of God and the attribute of life itself.

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[allan...@gmail.com]

The opposing theory is space will continue to expand into what effectively into effective nothingness where there ceases to be any effective or no inter connection..
Allan

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[allan...@gmail.com]

RP to me that statement has no logical sense.. just words put together without meaning
Allan

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Space is a part of the universe and comes  and vanishes with it into nothingness 

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

I cannot change your viewpoint 

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[allan...@gmail.com]

Good  it is interesting. Not much difference between a point and a crack..
Also like you explanation of God's being.. a start to an common discussion..
It is much easier to present ideas or theories when you know how the other parties see the question.
Allan

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[Allan]

what is nothingness?

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

No volume, zero.

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[Allan]

in simple words nonexistent.
Allan

round and round the mulberry bush

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

God is said to be formless so how can he occupy volume. Zero is the most important concept, it has more value than all other numerals.

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[Allan]

I have been using the same logic in questioning atheism for years now.

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[Allan]

mathematically "0" zero is an even whole number it is also the transition point between positive and negative (basic math as I was taught as a child)

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Ok then what sort of form does God have?

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[Molly Brogan]

Leeeeeeeeeee! How the hell goes it on the other side of the pond? Summer winding down in the garden? Holding out from the virus? Good to see you hear and hope all is well.

[Molly Brogan]

Ugh, I forgot about the autocorrect. Good to see you here!

[Rajendra Pal Singh]

Zero doesn't mean nothing, but absence of dimension. God is above all dimensions even though he has created them.

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

It appears, Allan, that we are just the two of us here. Discussions cannot go on like this.

[allan...@gmail.com]

I that boring.. where is your faith RP?

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[Rajendra Pal Singh]

I enjoyed the conversation with you, Allan, but how much can two people discuss. We need  other people's Input otherwise the conversation loses its vivacity.

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[allan...@gmail.com]

Why? People come and go..
One has to hang in.. times are changing again people are starting to comeback and Google has changed the app.. probably out of fear.
Hopefully universal guidance will guide us through.

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[Allan]

Sometimes a person meeds a little heart felt faith. To have faith you have to experience what it is. Post in minds-eye is an act of faith .. if there is no abswer does it diminish your act of faith?
Allan

God is not a Myth

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