Do People No Longer Opine Or Doubt ?

[Vam]

It is almost 3 months without anything refreshing in this Group, which prompted the heading for this post.

Surprisingly, though I am mostly turned away from this vast relativistic domain in which opinions and doubts proliferate, I enjoy coming across views and queries that set a group agog or certain knowledge that can inspire a great discussion about it.

Maybe, members of the Group are overtaken by life, in ways that has left them intellectually dead.

Or, perhaps, they are too lazy to express something interesting. Or, too disabled... I hope not though.

[Allan]

I am still here, was wondering the same thing my self..
better publish what I have been thinking.


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Do Not Kill, Rape or Enslave Others

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[Molly Brogan]

I hear your Ashok, and am happy to see you hear, and your opining and wondering.

[Molly Brogan]

I for one am glad to see this group together again in any form. I've often looked back and marveled at the depth and breath of what we've dialogued here over the decades. the group itself spread across the globe, meeting here in spirit to exchange ideas and views. Doubts, I have too many. Opinions, I have fewer as time goes on. Not for lack of caring, I think, but for identifying less with the events of the world. A world so rich in beauty, even if buried in misery. Who I am grows increasingly out of focus. The feeling of life, stronger than ever.

I feel much happiness seeing your words again, strung together as only you can. Something happens when we meet here and exchange, unseen but deeply felt. How interesting that I've never met any of you in person, but love you all.

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 12:30:52 AM UTC-4, Vam wrote:

[Vam]

How interesting...

How lovely...

I hope the 3000+ members of Minds Eye are listening. I wish they feel touched, as in a gentle poke on their shoulders.

[Allan]

actually I have missed it terribly.

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[Molly Brogan]

I will follow your lead, Vam, to the realm of what is interesting. Sounds like you have the time, tools and talent to blaze the trail. Sorry to read about everyone's health problems, later years bringing the inevitable means to slow us down. I've been feeling it too in my own way, but I've always preferred the slower pace. My ideal summer Sunday is a seat in the garden to do nothing. This summer, I am given those days more than before, not of choice, but necessity. Two sprained knees from a silly fall did not stop me, but did slow me down considerably. I'm not complaining, as that circumstance actually brought me here, having more time to peruse my computer. Always happy to read your ideas on any page, especially when our views differ. Then I am stimulated to dive deeper into the idea and explore more dimensions of it. You've always had that wonderful way about you.

I too hope more members will check in out of curiosity and engage. And happy that Google never actually pulled the plug on this platform as planned. The possibilities remain. And the dialogue leads us, to where? Let's find out!

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 12:30:52 AM UTC-4, Vam wrote:

[ashok tewari]

It is morning while I read this. It reveals the happy heart of being. There is love and thanks, mellowness and quiet exultation. It is full.

Far from complaints, as the body weakens and more frequently fails on occasions, I am grateful to it in ways I had not done before, when it was taken for granted. I brighten even when it darkens.

I do see these times while the world is correcting itself of all the emptiness it has acquired through left-liberal thoughts and ideas, words and feigned seriousness. All the climate change brouhaha is largely a part of that. Sustainability studies are far more real, in comparison. Population control, land use, species reserves, upright governance, economic tranparence, equality of opportunity...I wonder if the chiefs are applied on these massive people-life-centric issues.

Now, let me voice something controversial : large scale migration should never be a part of universal human rights. I hope people have tons of strong views, for and against, on this opinion of mine.

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[Allan H]

large scale migration will always be in nature.. including humanity..  conditions become adverse migration begins..  the so call conservative or status quo are creating many of the problems. status quo by meaning is saying leave the situation as is without change.

civilization by it very nature require change especially if you do not want mas migration..  one needs to remove the causes of mass migration  but to do that enquired one to be liberal and care and help your fellow man..

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[Molly Brogan]

I have to agree with Allan on this Vam. How do you stop the creatures in the forest from leaving when it is on fire? Survival is an overriding function like breathing, not fulfilled by right. It takes enormous dysfunction to override the physical and mental systems survival depends upon. Add the protective instincts of parents to children, and the drive to survive intensifies. 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 12:30:52 AM UTC-4, Vam wrote:

[Vam]

I find both Allan and you are building your premises on ancient world order, when locals either did not have a way out their collective misery or could not ask for and expect help from others.

Molly especially seems to conceive of countries as being tiny enough to be of forest size.

Both these premises are incorrect if not false. The UN itself must be faulted for being fat organisation that is little more an international employment charity. It wastes itself, without achieving anything much of real value, proactive solutions to recurring almost predictable problems.

Globally, govts must build capacities to take care of its citizens, ward off threats and prepare for disasters. The developed world will heed such a charter of development program, that are both defined and targeted, than all the left-liberal pile of people's rights and entitlements. That latter should be for national govts to address, depending upon financial surpluses they manage out of yearly accounts.

[Allan H]

okay, agreed my beliefs are based off ancient beliefs, as are most briefs.

Rather than blame others for their ancient solutions.. 

just what is the path you recommend people and governments follow?

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