Fwd: Nozzle crack propagation

[Chiranjeevi A]

Dear All,

   Please find the attached snap, we found a crack circumferentially. The nozzle size is 6" and the material is SS.

  The following plant is under construction and the vessel erected around 1yr back. There is an argument that because of pipe loads that are not supported yet, it created tension and lead to crack.  Even I surprised that how a steel material started cracked like brittle for just for a few external loads. (This not the correct reason)

I clearly explained that any steel material that we design to be below the yield value. When the load beyond the ultimate limit it leads to fatigue and finally crack. This situation we can expect in operation if there is cyclic loading and the connected piping not supported properly. (which is an impossible situation).

 Finally, I suspect that 

 - the material of the nozzle is not SS. (Maybe zinc coated)

- (or) Because of  corrosion

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(or) during welding, it created a weaker section and started crack initiation for the external loads.

Experts kindly share your opinion and suggestions.

Thanks & Regards

[Raghuram Bathula]

i have experienced such failures in the past  on a high alloy material probably occurred during piercing operations in the forging process. Piercing operations generally

produce relatively high tensile and shear deformation in the material at the weld neck portion of the flange, typically due to inadequate working temperature during piercing operation, can result in cracking. 

is it hydro tested?  these may not be visible while receipt inspection, will start propagating after welding, hydro etc.

did you confirm the grade of SS with PMI? do extend cross check with PT on similar heat/ same supplier 

[Kannayeram Gnanapandithan]

While Welding how u managed Zinc evaporation.

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[Prasanta Kumar Pal]

check with a magnet to ensure the material of construction. Then go for next step of investigation

P K Pal

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[Chiranjeevi A]

Thank you so much raghutam for your valuable information.

Even I requested to go PMI test. Since the pipe material is A312 TP 316L and nozzle flange A182 TP 304L.

But the MAPAF department says they didn't find any crack during erection ( no images during the erection period). 

Since the connected equipment is deareator the vessel already tested at shop and the connected pipes are tested seperatly long back ( not with the equipment) and after blowing connected to the respective equipment.

Are you agreed the material of the nozzle is SS ar per the site photo I attached. I suspect it is not SS.i need to add one more point that the vessel is A516bgr 70 and the nozzle is SS do you feel any possibility of this problem is due to dissimilar welding. Pls share your opinions

Thanks and regards 

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[Hernan Arturo Castillo Mier]

Hello

Initially, in my opinion there is not SS flange, but you can check, by using the devise for that.

This corrosion evidence indicate that the material isn´t SS.

According to the picture, the crack is far away from the weld. We can suppose that that the failure in not associated to the welding process, but the material quality.

                                                                                                                                                                                               

 

Hernán Castillo Mier

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[Hemant W Joshi]

One thing is clear and that the corrosion has spread on the flange also as on the pipe. The flange is a   slip on flange .

Is the crack a full circumferential or is it limited to what the photo is showing?

Can we have the photo of the other 180 degree view?

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[Dinesh Somwanshi]

Dear sir, 

I may feel crack due to 🔨 hammer or I. Proper handling & propagate after heat. 

Regards

Dinesh

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[harenath jha]

This is not ss material... Because in ss will not have such type/ pattern of corrosion

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[César Alexis Viteri Pérez]

Dear Mr Chiranjeevi,

1. Seems that stainless Is not so stainless,
2. Crack follows a stress riser and seems fragile.
Then options are:
Fatigue, that depends on stress (under Sy because non yelding evidence) and cicles.
Corrosión fatigue
Not so probable but embritlement also .

More info check API 571


Saludos
César Alexis Viteri Pérez

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