Is there any difference in performance betweenpickling and passivation?

[PK M]

Dear All,

Please Explain 

 

Is there any difference in performance between pickling and passivation?

Thank you

[pravean ashok]

Pickling is a matal surface treatment used to remove impurities, such as stains, inorganic contaminants, rust contamination or scale 

 A solution called pickle liquor, k2 chemical paste which is usually contains nitric acid, is used to remove the surface impurities. It is commonly used to descale or clean steel in various  processes.

Passivation

Passivation is a chemical treatment for ss and other alloys that enhances the ability of the treated surfaces to resist corrosion

Passivation removes surface contamination

Passivation increase corrosion resistance

Passivation reduces the risk of product Contamination

Passivation allows you to extend system maintenance intervals

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[Kannayeram Gnanapandithan]

Any Acid used in Passivation

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[pravean ashok]

Dear sir 

Please find the below link

https://youtu.be/nqBLsPM88dk

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[Kannayeram Gnanapandithan]

Passivation may not have Hydrofluoric acid which will etch the surface faster than Nitric acid.

Passivation is done to create an artificial passive layer ( CrO2).

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[Ananthanarayanan Mohan]

Dear sir,

Pickling activates the surface for proper plating. Hence is used in many plating works. It removes the stains scales etc and provides the surface ready for uniform reaction to form the required layer of plating Passivation on a pickled surface provides a uniform layer of oxides resistant to corrosion. Well, the doubt may be whether you require both treatments. 

A chemical pickling agent made from nitric acid and hydrofluoric is applied to a surface to remove contaminants. The hydrofluoric removes the contaminants while the nitric acid aids in activating the stainless steel surface to promote passivation. ASTM 967 gives passivation for stainless steels with nitric acid and citric acid. Pickling as such is not mentioned. But in case of fabricated parts used in fatigue intensive applications that has undego salt spray tests pickling is useful to remove all contaminants.

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[pgos...@rogers.com]

Hi,

The term Pickling(in the context of Carbon and other low alloy steels) often refers to acid clearing, which may be done prior to application of paints. Usually for mass production spray painted items it’s a common practice. Pickling usually descales the steel, exposing clean surfaces for spray painting. Pickling may cause some passivation of the cleaned surface, through formation of Cr-Oxide. However as  C & Low Alloy Steel contains very little or No “Cr”, chances of passivation are minimal.

In the context of stainless steels and other high alloy steels, both “pickling and passivation” occurs simultaneously due to the high extent of alloying elements, especially “Cr”. Nickel based alloys pickle and passivates to lesser extents that Cr-based alloys , e.g., 300 series or Duplex or other stainless steels.

This attached literature explains the various aspects of pickling, passivation and associated techniques.

 

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Pradip Goswami.P.Eng, IWE.

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Dear sir,

 

Pickling activates the surface for proper plating. Hence is used in many plating works. It removes the stains scales etc and provides the surface ready for uniform reaction to form the required layer of plating Passivation on a pickled surface provides a uniform layer of oxides resistant to corrosion. Well, the doubt may be whether you require both treatments. 

A chemical pickling agent made from nitric acid and hydrofluoric is applied to a surface to remove contaminants. The hydrofluoric removes the contaminants while the nitric acid aids in activating the stainless steel surface to promote passivation. ASTM 967 gives passivation for stainless steels with nitric acid and citric acid. Pickling as such is not mentioned. But in case of fabricated parts used in fatigue intensive applications that has undergo salt spray tests pickling is useful to remove all contaminants.

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[james gerald]

Refer ASTM A380 standard for detail on Precleaning, PickLing & Passivation.

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J.Gerald Jayakumar

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