Weld Macro examination

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pavainathan

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Nov 10, 2010, 3:01:24 AM11/10/10
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Dear members,
I've a question about Macro examination in
PQR's. What is the minimum magnifcation level we need to have? ,is
there any reference standard/specification .
One of my client spec syas it must be x5 .I have come across with
various PQR review this magnification level is varying a range from
x2.7 ,x3.4,x4.0&x5.0.

Also is there any significance in referring the letter in small
case(x5) or Caps(X5)

Any one can put your expertise in this regard.

pavainathan

george....@gr.bureauveritas.com

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Nov 10, 2010, 4:39:21 AM11/10/10
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If you design, construction and testing code is the BPVC of ASME then:

stud welds: x10
tube to tube sheet welds: x10 to 20x
resistance welding: x10
laser beam welding: x25
flush welding: x5
hard facing: x5


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PREM SHANKARDUTT NAUTIYAL

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Nov 10, 2010, 5:39:09 AM11/10/10
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Hi

Macro examination is mostly carried out at 5X to 10X magnification to assess the internal weld quality.
The magnification will depend upon your client specs. / applicable code.

If your PQR is as per ASME Sec.IX, then please refer following clause:
QW-453, Note 8.

QW-453: PROCEDURE/PERFORMANCE QUALIFICATION THICKNESS LIMITS AND TEST
SPECIMENS FOR HARD-FACING (WEAR-RESISTANT) AND CORROSIONRESISTANT
OVERLAYS
Notes(8): The base metal shall be sectioned transversely to the direction of the hard-facing overlay. The two faces of the hard-facing exposed by sectioning shall be polished and etched with a suitable etchant and shall be visually examined with ×5 magnification for cracks in the base metal or the heat affected zone, lack of fusion, or other linear defects.

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John Henning

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Nov 10, 2010, 9:16:27 AM11/10/10
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Pavainathan,

You are not going to like this reply! As with most questions, you must
first spell out what Code you are trying to comply with and then what
type of weld.

Consider ASME Section IX, the following apply:

- For stud welding, QW-192.1.4, examination at 10X

- For tube-to-tube sheet welding, QW-193.1.3, examination 10X to 20X

- For laser beam welding, QW-197.1, minimum 25X

- For flash welding, QW-199.1.3, examination at 5X

God knows what the ISO/EN/BS specs require - it's a thread I prefer not
to try and unravel unless I absolutely must.

Regard the issue of upper case, X, or lower case, x, there is no
difference - just a personal preference - in this usage the x only means
"times".

Hope this helps.

John

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Harish Kannepalli

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Nov 10, 2010, 9:42:25 AM11/10/10
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Dear Mr. Nathan,
                         Macro examination is basically by eye (6/6 ideal power) without any aid. But standards say 4X or 5X or your client spec may have desired level of magnification.

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Mayank .

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Nov 10, 2010, 12:17:10 PM11/10/10
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Dear pavainathan


" The Eye is our most valuable inspection instrument.An Examination
with the naked eye or with a lens at a low magnification (Ex : x5)
comprises what is meant by Macro Examination" - The Metallographic
Examination of Metals - J L Taylor


dont worry about the x or X .... this is to denote vision 'multiplied
by ' / 'times' . I have usually noticed 'x' though .

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Shashank Vagal

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Nov 10, 2010, 9:59:47 PM11/10/10
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10x (also read 10X) is the limit for macro; the in-between magnification level choice is dependent on many factors related to the application, usually decided by the design engineer.

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shamesh Lotlikar

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Nov 11, 2010, 1:24:23 AM11/11/10
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Dear All,

can any one give information on type of PAINT which we can use on the fit up joints before welding so that it will prevent the rusting of the surface of fit up joints. Kindly give us the name and type and brand of the paint which will be faster to get the same

Shamesh Lotlikar

Muhammad Bilal

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Nov 11, 2010, 4:05:55 PM11/11/10
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Dear All,
 
As per my understanding Magnification for Macro exmination and what is reported in PQR are two different things. Maginification is what we should be evaluating any specific macro-section whether it is Tube to Tube sheet or any other cut piece. While the maginification of macro photo graph attached with PQRs is defined by many parameters likes printing/page size etc. The person who evaluated it, must have observed the macro specimen at required magnification but what he reported is based on photograph size.
 
Please do correct me if I am wrong.
 
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Shadab Alam Ansari

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Dear Mr. Bilal,

Yes you are correct.

As per ASME Sec-IX, the Macro size of 10X to 20X is defined only for Tube to tube sheet welding.

But since the Macro picture will be too large for the Page to be printed, we get the photos of lesser magnification.

 

 

Thanking you,

Best regards,

 

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Ahmed Hafez

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Nov 21, 2010, 6:55:38 AM11/21/10
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dear all
if any one can suggest a certified place or training center for me to have CWE exam  and course  in accordance with AWS requirements in egypt or the middle east i will appreciate that very much
 
Ahmed Hafez

Santosh Gaikwad

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Nov 21, 2010, 11:59:38 AM11/21/10
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Dear Ahamad,
please contact Mr.Mohsen Hassanein ,see email ID below,

mohsen.h...@qualitycontrol-egypt.com


he is conducting AWS-CWEng Exam in Egypt.


regards

Santosh



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PREM SHANKARDUTT NAUTIYAL

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Nov 22, 2010, 11:50:22 AM11/22/10
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Hi

Similarly can you provide the details of the AWS-CWEng Exam course conductor in INDIA.

Regards

Prem Nautiyal
Thermax Ltd., Pune, India.


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>Dear Ahamad,
please contact Mr.Mohsen Hassanein ,see email ID below,

mohsen.h...@qualitycontrol-egypt.com


he is conducting AWS-CWEng Exam in Egypt.



regards

Santosh



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dear all

if any one can suggest a certified place or training center for me to have CWE exam  and course  in accordance with AWS requirements in egypt or the middle east i will appreciate that very much

 

Ahmed Hafez





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Santosh Gaikwad

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Nov 23, 2010, 5:07:57 AM11/23/10
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Good morning Mr.Prem,
I asked some  training agent (AWS Authorized)  regarding AWS-CWEng training & Exam, but no response from them ,so i think  that they are not conducting training & Exam for AWS-CWEng.

but if we have more than 20 candidate than ,we can arrange training &  Examination in India through Qualiy control Egypt.

reagrds

Santosh

Eng/ Mostafa Kamel Hussein

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Dec 7, 2010, 9:09:51 AM12/7/10
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You should to know first that CWE refers to " Certified Welding Educator not Engineer
If you want to take the exam of CWE i think you should call Eng. Mohsen Abdel Hamid Hassanien as he has responsibility for AWS certificates or he will give you the guides

Regards,

    

Eng/ Mostafa Kamel Hussein

Senior QA/QC Engineer

SIEMENS Limited,Industrial Solution&Services

Mohandessin - Giza - Egypt

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dear all
if any one can suggest a certified place or training center for me to have CWE exam  and course  in accordance with AWS requirements in egypt or the middle east i will appreciate that very much
 
Ahmed Hafez

welding_...@charter.net

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Copied from the AWS website
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Information on the CWEng program can be found here
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Hope this helps,

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Apology for late reply.

Hope that below comments can support for solution of curiosity

Our Company has been coated with an aluminum-flake weldable primer (“Deoxaluminite” or “Bloxide” or other brand) for prevent the anti rust of Weld Bevel Ends.

2010년 11월 11일 목요일 오후 3시 24분 23초 UTC+9, Shamesh Lotlikar 님의 말:

Dinesh Somwanshi

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Dear .

I would like to inform you selection of paint are based on type of environment use like corrosive & its applicability use.

There is wide range of paints are available with minimum expected life.

Regards
Dinesh
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