Other Project PQR Can be used New project on Different Clients?

[dominic v.k.dominic]

Dear Expertise,

The contractor submitted other project PQR and approved by some other third party company and client.

My Question: Can used other client approved PQR for this new project and new Client?

In the code (API-1104 and ASME Section -IX) anywhere specified in this matter for Employer can be used other project PQR-If matching According the codes and new client requirements.

If yes, please provide code reference.

Thanks in Advance.

Best Regards,

Dominic.

[Raghuram Bathula]

yes, it is not project specific. Each organization (Contractor) shall be required to prepare a procedure qualification record

[Peter Soloman]

If use other company PQR must prove the both company relation (sister concern)

client is approval required .Same company different project no issue.

peter

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[Prakash Gotimukul]

Keep master copy of PQR as a company document. Keep adding client name and project name for specific projects and do not disturb the master copy. PQR is a asset for a company. You have invested lot of money and effort in qualification.

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On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:43 PM, dominic v.k.dominic <v.k.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Sundar Kumar]

Please refer QW-201 Manufacturer’s or Contractor’s Responsibility (ASME IX - 2011) .It solves your query.

Thanks,

Sundar 

[pgoswami]

Hi Dominic,

 

I would think there is some confusion in asking the question. My rationale to this issue is as follows:-

 

1. There‘s no point in approving the PQR alone. A PQR doesn’t does serve any purpose without an approved WPS and vice versa.
2. A PQR approved for one project meeting ASME Sec-IX requirements is perfectly O.K for other projects provided, procedure qualifications regime is ASME Sec-IX. Same is true for API 1104.
3. However if additional requirements, e.g. different/various clients technical specifications are involved then new PQR may be insisted by project/contract requirements.  For example a PQR qualified to ASME Sec-IX+ Aramco Spec(Example Only)  may not be  approved  to ASME Sec-IX+ Shell’s Spec.

 

So the answer to your issue should be:-

 

• It would be WPS+PQR which have to be reviewed by the client.
• If the  welding qualification codes is API 1104 or ASME Sec-IX, there’s none specified in these codes that PQR approved for  project  X can’t be used project Y
• However if there’re additional test mandated by client/project specifications, then new PQR qualification and approval of a new WPS is mandatory.

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

Pradip Goswami, P.Eng,IWE
Welding & Metallurgical Engineering Specialist
Ontario,Canada.
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On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 6:50:01 AM UTC+3, dominic v.k.dominic wrote:

Dear Expertise,

The contractor submitted other project PQR and approved by some other third party company and client.

My Question: Can used other client approved PQR for this new project and new Client?

In the code (API-1104 and ASME Section -IX) anywhere specified in this matter for Employer can be used other project PQR-If matching According the codes and new client requirements.

If yes, please provide code reference.

 

Thanks in Advance.

Best Regards,

Dominic.

 

 

 

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[Shakeel Ahamad]

Dear Member,

You can use other project's PQR but on the WPS reflect the name of new owner. For details pls.see the ASME Sec-Ix, QW-201.

Regards,

Shakeel

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[Kannayeram Gnanapandithan]

approval/certification only by manufacture not by client. Client  can witness/review, this is as per ASME SEC 9

THANKS & BEST REGARDS,

KG.PANDITHAN, IWE,  AWS-CWI, CSWIP 3.1,

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[JIJILAL K M]

Dear Mr. Dominic,

Your concern is very relevant. It is a common doubt among young professionals.

Since  WPS qualification in an expensive effort by means of time and cost,mostly companies will go for same document qualification by submitting their existing PQR and WPS for review and approval if there is no much deviation in Essential and supplementary essential variables

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ASME permits it as the responsibility of manufacturer/contractor.

Infact , It is the sole discretion of client engineer  whether approve or go for new PQR.

JIJILAL K M

QA/QC Manager,

Jurong Engineering Limited.

TJEL-KCE project,Thailand. 

K.M. JIJILAL

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[Alan Denney]

The first question is whether it is in the contract or the project specifications that welding procedures are qualified especially for the project or on the project specific materials. Sometimes that is a requirement and if it is then the previously qualified procedures are not acceptable. If previously qualified procedures are acceptable under the contract then the contractor can submit WPQRs, PQRs or WPARs [depending on whose abbreviation you want to accept for these qualification packages]. They must be submitted complete, with no alterations or omissions and demonstrate compliance with the requirements from the code of practice required for the current project. If they do not meet the current requirements they are invalid and rejected.

 

The next thing is the WPS to be used for production. The WPS is the instruction used on the shop floor for the welding. It should be written to meet the requirements of the specific joint or joints for the current project. It is project specific and hence should be a new document, and it should reference the WPQRs which qualify it. WPSs should be written which cover all the different joint types on the project and all the different welding variants. A matrix should be developed to show all the WPSs and for each one the WPQRs which qualify them. The production of these WPSs and the compilation of the package of WPSs and WPQRs is the job of a qualified welding engineer, who understands all the subtle requirements of the welding code being used.

 

Best wishes

 

Alan Denney

AKD Materials Consulting Ltd

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