For Cryogenic Services at Temp -196 degree Celsius (17 Kelvin) Pipe of ASTM 312 TP 304 L is suitable?

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vivek singh Chaudhary

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Dec 5, 2016, 10:07:06 PM12/5/16
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Dear Experts,

Currently I am working on a project of ISRO (Indian Space Research Organisation) for Integrated Cryogenic Engine Testing Facility (ICET), for bidding in that services are Liquid Hydrogen, Liquid Oxygen, Liquid Helium, Liquid Nitrogen, Gaseous Hydrogen, Gaseous Oxygen, Gaseous Nitrogen, Gaseous Helium.

For SS Seamless Pipes client has given three options for material ASTM 312 TP 304L/ ASTM 312TP 316L/ ASTM 312TP 321. 

Kindly suggest me the suitable material for the same that gives economical and best design.


Thanks in advance.


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Vivek Singh Chaudhary

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prem_nautiyal26

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Dec 6, 2016, 1:11:40 AM12/6/16
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Hi

You can select 316L for this cryogenic application.
I have used it in various projects in past.

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Prem Nautiyal 
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Shashank Vagal

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Dear Vivek,

Please let me share the following info I have on this subject: 


Cryogenic Steel ASTM A553 Type 1 and  Type 2, / ASME SA-553/SA-553M Q&T 8% and 9% Ni-alloy Steel.  

Ideal for containment or transportation of liquefied gases such as LNG, oxygen, nitrogen and argon which need to be stored at a temperatures below -196°C. The material is good for any pressure containing application with excellent resistance to low temperature brittle fracture.
Many of the pressurized storage tanks designed to hold these gases are double walled with an insulation layer to minimise any generation in heat. Considerations should be made not only to the material used but also the fittings required which will also include piping and valves.
Other Cryogenic Steel Grades
You may also consider the following steel grades for cryogenic purposes:
 
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Gopal Chandra

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Dec 6, 2016, 1:12:22 AM12/6/16
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Yes


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Dec 7, 2016, 11:00:20 AM12/7/16
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Hello Vivek,

 

Your query is on the best compatible materials for :-Liquid Hydrogen, Liquid Oxygen, Liquid Helium, Liquid Nitrogen, Gaseous Hydrogen, Gaseous Oxygen, Gaseous Nitrogen, Gaseous Helium environments. The design temperatures for all of these gases in liquefied stages vary from -160 deg C to -196 deg C.

 

Amongst the 3 grades mentioned below, 304L and 316L would easily meet the cryogenic requirements down up to -196 Deg C. SS 321 could be a subjective choice below -160 Deg C.

 

The requirements are for “Cryogenic Engine Testing Facility” which is not child’s play, hence one has to understand and follow the guidelines of ISRO.After all they the designers and owners of these systems.

 

Discussions on these “sensitive issues” may not be advisable.

 

Welding of these alloys (304L and 36L) has to be very controlled, regulated and to be done in clean room. Ferrite in the weld should not exceed 2%, or else meeting impact and lateral expansion properties would not be possible.

 

Meantime if you want to know more about these materials and their low temperature properties, feel free to refer the document as below.

 

Thanks.

 

Pradip Goswami, P.Eng,IWE
Welding & Metallurgical Engineering Specialist ,

Ontario,Canada.
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https://www.nickelinstitute.org/~/media/Files/TechnicalLiterature/MaterialsforCryogenicService_EngineeringPropertiesofAusteniticStainlessSteel_4368_.ashx

 

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Subject: [MW:25795] For Cryogenic Services at Temp -196 degree Celsius (17 Kelvin) Pipe of ASTM 312 TP 304 L is suitable?

 

Dear Experts,

Currently I am working on a project of ISRO (Indian Space Research Organisation) for Integrated Cryogenic Engine Testing Facility (ICET), for bidding in that services are Liquid Hydrogen, Liquid Oxygen, Liquid Helium, Liquid Nitrogen, Gaseous Hydrogen, Gaseous Oxygen, Gaseous Nitrogen, Gaseous Helium.

For SS Seamless Pipes client has given three options for material ASTM 312 TP 304L/ ASTM 312TP 316L/ ASTM 312TP 321. 

Kindly suggest me the suitable material for the same that gives economical and best design.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Regards:-

Vivek Singh Chaudhary

Piping Design Engineer.

Contact No.- +91 9990441755.

 

 

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dilintas

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Dec 14, 2016, 2:17:51 AM12/14/16
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They are more difficult to weld tham austenitic ss but cheaper. 304 and 316 are more reliable



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Subject: Re: [MW:25799] For Cryogenic Services at Temp -196 degree Celsius (17 Kelvin) Pipe of ASTM 312 TP 304 L is suitable?

Dear Vivek,

Please let me share the following info I have on this subject: 


Cryogenic Steel ASTM A553 Type 1 and  Type 2, / ASME SA-553/SA-553M Q&T 8% and 9% Ni-alloy Steel.  

Ideal for containment or transportation of liquefied gases such as LNG, oxygen, nitrogen and argon which need to be stored at a temperatures below -196°C. The material is good for any pressure containing application with excellent resistance to low temperature brittle fracture.
Many of the pressurized storage tanks designed to hold these gases are double walled with an insulation layer to minimise any generation in heat. Considerations should be made not only to the material used but also the fittings required which will also include piping and valves.
Other Cryogenic Steel Grades
You may also consider the following steel grades for cryogenic purposes:
 
Best Regards,
Shashank C Vagal  (Quality Adviser)
Neo Metal-Analyst & NDT Services (Approved by IBR, Thermax, AERB)
Regd Office: 301, PRATHAMESH, M G Rd – Mahant Rd, Vile Parle East, Mumbai 400 057 INDIA
Tel: +91 22 2611 6640 / (+91) 9821386292 /  8082395502 / 9819191861    
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hasada...@gmail.com

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Dec 14, 2016, 5:12:29 AM12/14/16
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Hi,

ASTM 312 TP304L Suitable base on my experience, currently im involved with LNG TANK EPCC,all the pipe work we use 304L.


delta lab sangli

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Dec 18, 2016, 2:23:01 AM12/18/16
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Dear experts,

For Cryogenic applications which involves Minor Welding, I would suggest to use SS304LN, SS316LN. I would say there no economical replacement for these grades with same properties.

They have excellent impact toughness values even at -196 degrees they would show more than 80J value.

But due care has to be taken during welding since these grades are susceptible for liquation cracking.

Thanks

Abhinandan Admuthe

Chief Metallurgist

Delta Metallurgical Laboratory
(AN ISO/IEC 17025:2005 Accredited Laboratory)
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